Incorrect. It was widely reported that the front office made an offer to both Fes and Matthews.
What did KOC know and when?
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Incorrect. It was widely reported that the front office made an offer to both Fes and Matthews.
The only way to know otherwise what KOC did was for him to divulge something like "well, we did offer him 4/16 and he said no so now he's out looking." The fact that the only thing the papers said was "...awaiting offers" doesn't guarantee that a JAZZ OFFER was not tendered. Also, how about you write for us what KOC should have divulged in public for us to see that he was negotiating. I can't imagine anything that should be made public on this front. So KOC uses some different words to essentially say "no comment." That's all.
All i'm aware of are "qualifying offers" which are essentially, formulaic, pre canned #'s. So they don't really add to question of whether KOC negotiated or not. Is there more info than this?
Hopper
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I read the papers too, and I seem to have a better understanding of what they DON"T say than you do. Your haterizm is gittin ridiculous. A prior poster has already recounted the offer we made to Millsap. Another poster has yet to respond to my request to provide JUST ONE report of the events he claims (as you do) were "widely reported." Scroll up. Mebbe you can provide what he has failed to, eh?
Edit: After catching up on the whole thread, I see that Harcher has already adquately responded to you. Still, feel free to show any "report" which says: "Jazz made no offer to Matthews." It's counter to all common sense to think this would be true. It might as well say "KOC cannot spell his own name." But if you can find where that has been reported, I'll certainly give you credit for findin it, and read it very carefully.
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Hopper
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We aint talkin bout no "qualifyin offer" here, eh, Write?
billyshelby
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What does it matter how much, or how little, KOC "negotiated"? The only question that matters is what KOC decided Matthews was worth. The reports are Matthews agent was gunning for the MLE, not using that as a threat to get a reasonable offer from the Jazz. Turns out, he was right. Now we're going to find out definitively what KOC thinks Matthews is worth. I can't find one thing KOC did wrong in this process.
Hopper
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I agree with this, but it's simply absurd to claim that KOC "refused" to make an offer to Matthews. It's possible that Matthews refused to even hear one, I spoze. For example:
KOC: We are prepared to offer your client the amount of.....
AGENT: STOP RIGHT THERE! Is it the max?
KOC: No, I'm making an offer of...
AGENT: JUST SHUT UP, THEN! We don't even want to hear it. It's the max, or NUTHIN. Don't even call us if ya aint offerin the max. Good-bye.
Possible, but highly implausible.
The recurring suggestion here is that Matthews would immediately and gladly have accepted, say, $4 million a year IF only KOC had offered it, but KOC refused to make any kinda offer, or even ask them what they would be willing to take, under the max.
It's absurd, of course. If Matthews "only" wanted, say, $5 million, then he could have accepted an offer from Portland for that, and then let KOC match, if they wanted, even if he, Matthews, was unwillingly to tell KOC that directly for some unknown reason (which is yet another absurd assumption) and/or KOC refused to listen to any offer from Matthews (another absurdity).
For some reason, it seems that the more absurd the tale, the more attractive it is to conspiracy theorist types, eh?
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People are never going to be 100% satisfied, let alone 75%...
Thank KOC & The Millers for keeping up with our 'winning tradition' !!
You mean to say, KOC has been perfect except for the AK contract? Please. Several first round pick busts, several FA signings/trades that didnt get the required results. It is quite a long list