What do you want the Jazz lineup to look like next year?
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utahjazz107
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No hurry to buyout Okur contacts when he only has one year left and could be a valuable bench player.
I've been thinking about this for several days now, and here's the patented "Colton off-season plan".
* Re-sign: Watson (hopefully for close to same salary, for 2 years max), AK (if he will really give the Jazz a SERIOUS discount, and not for more than 3 years)
* Let walk: Price, Elson, Fesenko
* Trade away: Bell, Miles (re-sign Miles for team option prior to trading)
* Trade for: #2 pick in the draft, using whatever it takes within reason to move up from #3
* Draft: Derek Williams, Jimmer Fredette
* Sign with MLE: Fairly good quality veteran wing player. I don't know who specifically, but presumably one of the guys listed here: https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?5990-2011-NBA-Free-Agent-List. I bet we can get a pretty good SG/SF if we spend the whole MLE on him. The idea here is that this person can backup Hayward the 2 and possibly play minutes at the 3 if D. Williams is a complete bust there and if AK gets injured and/or pouty.
For the dollar amounts below I'm using salary numbers from HoopsHype, and I'm assuming the MLE/cap/lux tax/rookie scale will all be same as last year. (Obviously, probably not true.)
12 players on roster:
Harris ($9.3 mill)
Watson (~$1.6 mill)
Fredette ($1.7 mill)
Hayward ($2.5 mill)
AK (~$6 mill)
Williams ($4 mill)
Evans ($0.8 mill)
Favors ($4.4 mill)
Millsap ($6.7 mill)
Jefferson ($14 mill)
Okur ($10.9 mill)
MLE guy ($5.8 mill)
Total salary: $67.7 million, which is safely below the luxury threshold of $70.3 million (and well above the salary cap of $58.0 million). If injuries strike, can still afford a cheap player or two to fill in. Next year Memo's salary comes of the books, so the Jazz are in good shape then.
Depth chart:
PG: Harris, Watson, Fredette (hopefully moving up to #2 PG before season is over)
SG: Hayward, MLE guy (or maybe #1 SG if better than Hayward right now), Fredette
SF: Williams, AK, MLE guy, Hayward
PF: Favors, Millsap, AK, Evans
C: Jefferson, Favors, Okur (hopefully healthy, in which case can be #1 or #2 center)
main wing rotation: Hayward, Williams, MLE guy, AK
main big rotation: Favors, Jefferson, Millsap, Okur
There you go. It's a team I would love to cheer for. Should be good right now, should be improving, and shouldn't be in serious salary cap trouble for the future. And doesn't have Bell, Miles, Price, Elson, or Fesenko, all of whom I've given up on.
* Re-sign: Watson (hopefully for close to same salary, for 2 years max), AK (if he will really give the Jazz a SERIOUS discount, and not for more than 3 years)
* Let walk: Price, Elson, Fesenko
* Trade away: Bell, Miles (re-sign Miles for team option prior to trading)
* Trade for: #2 pick in the draft, using whatever it takes within reason to move up from #3
* Draft: Derek Williams, Jimmer Fredette
* Sign with MLE: Fairly good quality veteran wing player. I don't know who specifically, but presumably one of the guys listed here: https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?5990-2011-NBA-Free-Agent-List. I bet we can get a pretty good SG/SF if we spend the whole MLE on him. The idea here is that this person can backup Hayward the 2 and possibly play minutes at the 3 if D. Williams is a complete bust there and if AK gets injured and/or pouty.
For the dollar amounts below I'm using salary numbers from HoopsHype, and I'm assuming the MLE/cap/lux tax/rookie scale will all be same as last year. (Obviously, probably not true.)
12 players on roster:
Harris ($9.3 mill)
Watson (~$1.6 mill)
Fredette ($1.7 mill)
Hayward ($2.5 mill)
AK (~$6 mill)
Williams ($4 mill)
Evans ($0.8 mill)
Favors ($4.4 mill)
Millsap ($6.7 mill)
Jefferson ($14 mill)
Okur ($10.9 mill)
MLE guy ($5.8 mill)
Total salary: $67.7 million, which is safely below the luxury threshold of $70.3 million (and well above the salary cap of $58.0 million). If injuries strike, can still afford a cheap player or two to fill in. Next year Memo's salary comes of the books, so the Jazz are in good shape then.
Depth chart:
PG: Harris, Watson, Fredette (hopefully moving up to #2 PG before season is over)
SG: Hayward, MLE guy (or maybe #1 SG if better than Hayward right now), Fredette
SF: Williams, AK, MLE guy, Hayward
PF: Favors, Millsap, AK, Evans
C: Jefferson, Favors, Okur (hopefully healthy, in which case can be #1 or #2 center)
main wing rotation: Hayward, Williams, MLE guy, AK
main big rotation: Favors, Jefferson, Millsap, Okur
There you go. It's a team I would love to cheer for. Should be good right now, should be improving, and shouldn't be in serious salary cap trouble for the future. And doesn't have Bell, Miles, Price, Elson, or Fesenko, all of whom I've given up on.
PG: Harris, Fredette, Watson
SG: Hayward, Miles, Other
SF: Millsap, AK (for $5M or less), Evans, Miles, Hayward
PF: Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, Okur, Kanter
C: Favors, Kanter, Okur, Jefferson
Not likely that AK will stick around. If Jajuan Johnson can play small forward, then he is intriguing to me. Best max vertical in draft or tied for the best (happens to be the same as Derrick Favors). Johnson can block shots, score and tested better than I thought at the combine. If the Jazz are impressed with him, then perhaps they work out some way to get him outside of #3 and #12. Again that's alot of youth but anything is possible.
SG: Hayward, Miles, Other
SF: Millsap, AK (for $5M or less), Evans, Miles, Hayward
PF: Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, Okur, Kanter
C: Favors, Kanter, Okur, Jefferson
Not likely that AK will stick around. If Jajuan Johnson can play small forward, then he is intriguing to me. Best max vertical in draft or tied for the best (happens to be the same as Derrick Favors). Johnson can block shots, score and tested better than I thought at the combine. If the Jazz are impressed with him, then perhaps they work out some way to get him outside of #3 and #12. Again that's alot of youth but anything is possible.
jazzrule
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Well thought out and informative. I agree with everything except signing Watson for 2 years. I would only offer him one year unless we don't get a pg in the draft. I don't want Watson holding back the development of our rookie point guard in any way
I thought about that a lot, too, but in the end I decided that: (a) Watson very well might not want to sign again for just a single year, (b) it might be nice to have Watson wrapped up for a second year in case Jimmer (or other rookie PG) doesn't pan out, and (c) Watson's only making about $1.5 million(*) so he's not real expensive.
(*) Little bit less than that last year; little bit more than that in my plan for next year.
utahjazz107
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If we could trade 3rd, Devin Harris, CJ Miles and Bell for Evans, Thornton and the 7th.
PG: Kemba/Earl Watson
SG: Tyreke Evans/Marcus Thornton
SF: Tayshaun Prince/Gordon Hayward/Chris Singleton
PF: Paul Millsap/Derrick Favors
C: Al Jefferson/Mehmet Okur
PG: Kemba/Earl Watson
SG: Tyreke Evans/Marcus Thornton
SF: Tayshaun Prince/Gordon Hayward/Chris Singleton
PF: Paul Millsap/Derrick Favors
C: Al Jefferson/Mehmet Okur
gregbroncs
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Erase Prince and I don't mind your lineup. I don't want Prince starting over Hayward. I don't think they should have any interest whatsoever in Prince.
NAOS
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I've just posted my dream scenario for draft night in the draft thread. In short, we get Knight and Biyombo.
Then, I trade Harris + (salary match) for Andre Miller + Wes Matthews. I think this is a realistic trade. Personally, I think we are a better team from day 1 with Miller at the point.
Miller/Knight/Watson
Matthews/Hayward/Knight
Hayward/(AK?)/Millsap/Evans
Favors/Millsap/Biyombo/Evans
Jefferson/Biyombo
Watson still gets significant minutes due to the aging Andre and the rookie Knight (who can also play minutes at the 2). I don't want Biyombo and Millsap on the floor at the same time unless Millsap is at the 3, so that would need to be worked out. I'm gonna put AK in there, but I'd only sign him for $5M for 3 years.
I'll give up on trading Jefferson if we get these two players. If I were Ty, I'd show Al how Coach Thib benched Boozer in the fourth and tell him we'll do the same damn thing unless he brings the A game on both ends.
Basically, I'm hoping that Biyombo helps create a defensive identity for this team.
Biyombo the alchemist.
Edit: I'm already changing my mind slightly. Go get Jenkins. Start Watson and bring along BOTH Jenkins and Knight.
Then, I trade Harris + (salary match) for Andre Miller + Wes Matthews. I think this is a realistic trade. Personally, I think we are a better team from day 1 with Miller at the point.
Miller/Knight/Watson
Matthews/Hayward/Knight
Hayward/(AK?)/Millsap/Evans
Favors/Millsap/Biyombo/Evans
Jefferson/Biyombo
Watson still gets significant minutes due to the aging Andre and the rookie Knight (who can also play minutes at the 2). I don't want Biyombo and Millsap on the floor at the same time unless Millsap is at the 3, so that would need to be worked out. I'm gonna put AK in there, but I'd only sign him for $5M for 3 years.
I'll give up on trading Jefferson if we get these two players. If I were Ty, I'd show Al how Coach Thib benched Boozer in the fourth and tell him we'll do the same damn thing unless he brings the A game on both ends.
Basically, I'm hoping that Biyombo helps create a defensive identity for this team.
Biyombo the alchemist.
Edit: I'm already changing my mind slightly. Go get Jenkins. Start Watson and bring along BOTH Jenkins and Knight.
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