What does Dante get in Free Agency?

[latin jazz]

Wheres @andylarsen at??

I asked him to show Quin some of the villain comments other fanbases make

Someone please start searching in the forest or in Quin's basement

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I'd like 4 years (team option would be great) but no more than $32.

I don't feel that I have enough real info to make a good guess. It could be anywhere from QO to 4/48 for me depending on what they really think about him. They have the best info on him of anyone, but even then the injuries and lack of a big role probably make it harder to project. As a fan I really hope it is more like 4/48 (or at least 4/something) because that means they believe in him. DL offering that much would give me a ton of confidence in Exum developing correctly.

 

[MDAV28]

I don't feel that I have enough real info to make a good guess. It could be anywhere from QO to 4/48 for me depending on what they really think about him. They have the best info on him of anyone, but even then the injuries and lack of a big role probably make it harder to project. As a fan I really hope it is more like 4/48 (or at least 4/something) because that means they believe in him. DL offering that much would give me a ton of confidence in Exum developing correctly.

That seems like a massive overpay though since presumably nobody with that type of cap space will offer a contract like that. They didn't get an extension deal done, so now the market dictates Exum's price which I believe will work in the Jazz favor.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

That seems like a massive overpay though since presumably nobody with that type of cap space will offer a contract like that. They didn't get an extension deal done, so now the market dictates Exum's price which I believe will work in the Jazz favor.

4/48 would seem like alot in the current market. The second contract is often paid more on projection so I think fans should be ready for a bit of an "overpay" if the Jazz want to retain control for the 4th year. Like I said I think it all depends on what they really think of him and what he's willing to settle for. I can see a 3 year deal but I really hope the Jazz push for that 4th year if he is actually in the long term plans. We don't want another situation where we lose a really productive year because of penny pinching.

 

[Stoked]

I want to see Snyder show up to a game in a dick tracy type villain suit. hat and all

 

[Miggs]

2 for 16.
Maybe 3 for 24 with a TO after year 2.

I think the first offer makes better sense for him though if he has any faith in himself.

 

[Miggs]

I don't feel that I have enough real info to make a good guess. It could be anywhere from QO to 4/48 for me depending on what they really think about him. They have the best info on him of anyone, but even then the injuries and lack of a big role probably make it harder to project. As a fan I really hope it is more like 4/48 (or at least 4/something) because that means they believe in him. DL offering that much would give me a ton of confidence in Exum developing correctly.

Way too much given what he’s shown on the court, his injury history, and the tight market.

If we’re gonna do 4 years because, as you’ve stated, the FO has the best info on him, it needs to be more like 4/30.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

Way too much given what he’s shown on the court, his injury history, and the tight market.

If we’re gonna do 4 years because, as you’ve stated, the FO has the best info on him, it needs to be more like 4/30.

I'd love 4/30. I just don't think that is realistic. I think 4/40 would be a realistic middle ground where both sides are risking some money. But maybe the Jazz aren't that high on him. I'm just going off what they say and what Tony Jones has reported. As to whether it is a good deal or not we can't know until we see how he develops. It's entirely possible that 4/40 looks like Alec Burks in a couple years which would be bad for the championship window. At 4/40 he needs to probably be a starting level or valuable rotation player during the deal to break even.

 

[♪alt13]

I'd love 4/30. I just don't think that is realistic. I think 4/40 would be a realistic middle ground where both sides are risking some money. But maybe the Jazz aren't that high on him. I'm just going off what they say and what Tony Jones has reported. As to whether it is a good deal or not we can't know until we see how he develops. It's entirely possible that 4/40 looks like Alec Burks in a couple years which would be bad for the championship window. At 4/40 he needs to probably be a starting level or valuable rotation player during the deal to break even.

What team(they have to have the space) is going to give us Exum a 4/40? Why should the Jazz give him a contract that no one else will?

 

[hgb]

What team(they have to have the space) is going to give us Exum a 4/40? Why should the Jazz give him a contract that no one else will?

We want to give Dante the least amount of money he will accept, but still take four years. If we lowball him too much, he'll take his chances with the QO or we end up with a 2 year deal, which will suck in two years.

 

[NUMBERICA]

So everyone knows the potential, are we on the same page that the kid has done jack **** in this league?

 

[NUMBERICA]

We want to give Dante the least amount of money he will accept, but still take four years. If we lowball him too much, he'll take his chances with the QO or we end up with a 2 year deal, which will suck in two years.

Or he's just not a good basketball player being paid a lot of valuable cap space.

 

[Siro]

We want to give Dante the least amount of money he will accept, but still take four years. If we lowball him too much, he'll take his chances with the QO or we end up with a 2 year deal, which will suck in two years.

I don't understand what low balling a 5 ppg player even means.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

What team(they have to have the space) is going to give us Exum a 4/40? Why should the Jazz give him a contract that no one else will?

Because he'll just not accept a low offer and play for the QO. Again this is all determined on how they feel about him as a player. You personally might think he isn't worth it or can go kick rocks, but the Jazz seem to feel that he is worth signing/developing at this point. So it's a balancing act to find something that works for both sides. A good example of a team screwing up on something like this is Orlando with Hezonja. They gave up too soon, and now he's going to be an UFA after breaking out the second half of this season. You don't want to be in that situation with Dante.

Edit: I realize the Hezonja situation is slightly different as they didn't pick up the option. But it is a similar principle.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I don't understand what low balling a 5 ppg player even means.

Again lowballing is based on projections. You aren't paying for him for being a 5 PPG player. You are paying believing that he will be worth more. This happens all the time with RFA deals. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

Or he's just not a good basketball player being paid a lot of valuable cap space.

Obviously. That's the whole idea of this process. To some degree or another you almost always have to project future value in these RFA deals. Dante has had a weird set of circumstances that make it more difficult to project than some. He might be terrible or he might be very good. It's a tough position to be in.

 

[Siro]

Again lowballing is based on projections. You aren't paying for him for being a 5 PPG player. You are paying believing that he will be worth more. This happens all the time with RFA deals. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't.

Projecting from very little information. This almost never happens. At least Embiid dominated in those few games he played on his rookie contract. There is currently no offer that would be considered low balling.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

Projecting from very little information. This almost never happens. At least Embiid dominated in those few games he played on his rookie contract. There is currently no offer that would be considered low balling.

We have very little. The Jazz have more since they see him all the time. There definitely are lots of offers that would be considered lowballing. All that matters is what Dante thinks is lowballing to be honest. Your opinions about his level have no impact on any of this. This is not a difficult topic. You guys are all basing this on your evaluation of him but that isn't what is going to decide the offer he gets.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What team(they have to have the space) is going to give us Exum a 4/40? Why should the Jazz give him a contract that no one else will?

4/40 is basically the MLE. I could see someone doing that. Unless he goes nuts no one will go over that... and if he went nuts we’d just match.

I think he gets 3/21 or 4/35 if he wants to go more long term. Could see a two year 20M with second year as team option as a good compromise if he thinks he can get a lot more once fully healthy.

Almost nothing would shock me on his contract.

 

[♪alt13]

4/40 is basically the MLE. I could see someone doing that. Unless he goes nuts no one will go over that... and if he went nuts we’d just match.

I think he gets 3/21 or 4/35 if he wants to go more long term. Could see a two year 20M with second year as team option as a good compromise if he thinks he can get a lot more once fully healthy.

Almost nothing would shock me on his contract.

I don't think the money is there. I think if we put a list together of the teams that have 10 million dollars plus and a list of the free agents available it would probably hint that all the money is going to be gone before teams even call Dante.