What Happened to Katie?

[Joe Bagadonuts]

And the percent of the population does matter. Do you seriously believe that every facility in America needs to be built to accommodate every single person, no matter how small a percent of the population they represent? If so we are going to be spending a hell of a lot to accommodate 700 pounders in public restrooms, through doorways, on airplanes, etc. But seriously, haven't these extra large people already suffered enough? It's the least we could do to remodel the world for them. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is obviously a bigot.

 

[Boris]

And the percent of the population does matter. Do you seriously believe that every facility in America needs to be built to accommodate every single person, no matter how small a percent of the population they represent? If so we are going to be spending a hell of a lot to accommodate 700 pounders in public restrooms, through doorways, on airplanes, etc. But seriously, haven't these extra large people already suffered enough? It's the least we could do to remodel the world for them. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is obviously a bigot.

Yes. Let us have a federal holiday requiring pay every single day of the year. I will start the first example. I worship my grass. I demand paid day off for grass clipping solstice. It is only fair if you get Christ mass and Easter off. Why u discriminatin me foo?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Yes. Let us have a federal holiday requiring pay every single day of the year. I will start the first example. I worship my grass. I demand paid day off for grass clipping solstice. It is only fair if you get Christ mass and Easter off. Why u discriminatin me foo?

I'm angry at America for standing by idly while you've suffered for so long. Our sad legacy of discrimination lives on.

 

[Gameface]

I don't want any kids showering with any adults who aren't their parents, ever.

 

[Gameface]

And if I have to shower somewhere besides my house I want a private shower stall. For ****s sake, Navy ships have individual shower stalls, most sailors would wear at least underwear into the shower and take it off in the stall and hang it over the side, dry up and put them back on before they exit the sower. Where are you guys taking community showers at?

You guys go to different bathrooms than I go to. Seriously.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I don't want any kids showering with any adults who aren't their parents, ever.

Do you have a daughter? Do you want her showering with a boy of her same age in junior high?

Edit: I didn't mean "boy." I meant a person with a penis. Sorry for being insensitive the first time.

 

[Gameface]

Do you have a daughter? Do you want her showering with a boy of her same age in junior high?

I don't have a daughter, but I don't want kids showering with kids, either. I don't care what their sexes are. I think there should be private shower stalls. I've never been into this community orgy shower situation. I realize that there are open showers in schools. I don't think there should be and I never thought there should be and I've never understood why it was ever okay to do it that way.

 

[Gameface]

Joe, do you want gay boys showering with your straight boys, or gay girls showering with your straight girls?

Who is it, exactly, you want showering with your girls?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

And if I have to shower somewhere besides my house I want a private shower stall. For ****s sake, Navy ships have individual shower stalls, most sailors would wear at least underwear into the shower and take it off in the stall and hang it over the side, dry up and put them back on before they exit the sower. Where are you guys taking community showers at?

You guys go to different bathrooms than I go to. Seriously.

You have got to be kidding. There are community showers at virtually every high school in Utah. There are community showers at the hockey rink I play at. There is a community shower at my gym. I have a hard time believing that you have not come across lots of community showers in your lifetime. Also, even in the non-shower area of the locker room people frequently take all of their clothes off. I really don't care whether that happens in a men's locker room, and if there are women who want to be in there I guess that's their choice, but I cannot think of a single good reason that someone older than 5 who has a penis should be in the girl's or women's locker room. The proponents of these rules clearly want that to happen.

 

[Gameface]

You have got to be kidding. There are community showers at virtually every high school in Utah. There are community showers at the hockey rink I play at. There is a community shower at my gym. I have a hard time believing that you have not come across lots of community showers in your lifetime. Also, even in the non-shower area of the locker room people frequently take all of their clothes off. I really don't care whether that happens in a men's locker room, and if there are women who want to be in there I guess that's their choice, but I cannot think of a single good reason that someone older than 5 who has a penis should be in the girl's or women's locker room. The proponents of these rules clearly want that to happen.

I realize there are community showers at places. As an adult I don't have to, and I do not, use them. I don't like them. I never have. I don't think school kids should be forced to use the community showers at all, ever and I don't think they should have been built as open community showers. Make individual stalls with curtains. Like I said, even on Navy ships they have individual shower stalls, and Navy ships have precious little spare space for such luxuries.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Joe, do you want gay boys showering with your straight boys, or gay girls showering with your straight girls?

Who is it, exactly, you want showering with your girls?

Yes, I am fine with gay boys in the men's locker room and gay girls in the women's locker room. That's where they've always been and it's where they belong. Why change this?

 

[fishonjazz]

Have you never been in the men's room and seen woman walk in? My thought is "welcome to the party, but please don't try to use a urinal". On the other hand, I have daughters. What happens when a transgender wants to shower with them? Apparently everyone else needs to accommodate so that this very small minority who are confused about their gender can feel comfortable. Seems completely backwards to me.

I'm sorry but I won't discuss this issue anymore. I have been called a bigot too many times. Im done.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I realize there are community showers at places. As an adult I don't have to, and I do not, use them. I don't like them. I never have. I don't think school kids should be forced to use the community showers at all, ever and I don't think they should have been built as open community showers. Make individual stalls with curtains. Like I said, even on Navy ships they have individual shower stalls, and Navy ships have precious little spare space for such luxuries.

So what should happen if a student with a penis at my daughter's middle school decides that he identifies as female and wants to shower with the girls? I believe that it's a community shower (though I'm not certain). According to the Obama Administration this child's wishes must be accommodated, even if there are girls (even a majority or all of the girls) have a problem with it. But for some reason some people believe that we must accommodate the few at the expense of the many.

It would be way, way, way easier for everyone if we just relabeled the rooms Penis and Vagina so that there is really no debate about which room each person belongs in. It seems to me that the left is apparently getting their jollys out of creating chaos where it simply doesn't need to exist. I can only assume that they believe that pushing this issue will help in motivating their base.

 

[Gameface]

So what should happen if a student with a penis at my daughter's middle school decides that he identifies as female and wants to shower with the girls? I believe that it's a community shower (though I'm not certain). According to the Obama Administration this child's wishes must be accommodated, even if there are girls (even a majority or all of the girls) have a problem with it. But for some reason some people believe that we must accommodate the few at the expense of the many.

It would be way, way, way easier for everyone if we just relabeled the rooms Penis and Vagina so that there is really no debate about which room each person belongs in. It seems to me that the left is apparently getting their jollys out of creating chaos where it simply doesn't need to exist. I can only assume that they believe that pushing this issue will help in motivating their base.

Well, I've already said that I don't think there should be any community showers...

But there are community showers, unfortunately.

I don't think a transgender middle or high school student should be forced to shower with the other students, of either gender.

But it's as if you think there are pretend transgender boys just angling to get in the girls locker room. If a student expresses their desire to shower with the opposite sex I don't think they should be allowed to do so. I think all students should be free to keep their body private anot be forced to take a shower in front of an audience. Ever.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I'm sorry but I won't discuss this issue anymore. I have been called a bigot too many times. Im done.

I understand. I've gotten negs for my position and been called the same sorts of names. And I think the left will ultimately win this debate by making people feel bad for holding "old-fashioned" opinions. Just because some idea is new, though, doesn't make it better. I haven't seen an argument approaching that threshold with regard to this particular new idea yet.

 

[Gameface]

In middle school we had to take showers after PE. The coaches office had a one way window that faced the showers. I walked by one time and saw the coach with one leg up on a bench that sat under that window chewing on a candy bar and watching the other kids take a shower.

I also had a girl tell me stuff that another boy had told her about my junk. I entered puberty earlier than most the other kids (almost all the other kids) and the words "huge" and "hairy" were involved.

Anyway, I don't like that creepy middle school coaches were watching me shower or that it gave other kids a chance to check out my junk. I don't like community showers, especially not ones that a person is forced to use. I don't think we should force our kids to shower with each other. Like I said, I'm amazed that this is how it is and that it was ever okay.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Well, I've already said that I don't think there should be any community showers...

But there are community showers, unfortunately.

I don't think a transgender middle or high school student should be forced to shower with the other students, of either gender.

But it's as if you think there are pretend transgender boys just angling to get in the girls locker room. If a student expresses their desire to shower with the opposite sex I don't think they should be allowed to do so. I think all students should be free to keep their body private anot be forced to take a shower in front of an audience. Ever.

I agree with your opinion on showering privacy. Some people are okay with showering publicly and some hate it. The ones who hate it should definitely not be forced to.

I honestly think you're misunderstanding where the left is going on this issue, though. The scenario I suggested above is going to come about in real life, and soon. And then there will be another issue and another issue and another, always pushing this boundary to the left. You negged me for saying that I won't be surprised when it happens and you apparently will because you somehow felt insulted by that. I don't understand why, but I'm very confident that I'll be proven correct. All I have to do is look down the pathway that we're traveling and see where it leads.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I agree with your opinion on showering privacy. Some people are okay with showering publicly and some hate it. The ones who hate it should definitely not be forced to.

I honestly think you're misunderstanding where the left is going on this issue, though. The scenario I suggested above is going to come about in real life, and soon. And then there will be another issue and another issue and another, always pushing this boundary to the left. You negged me for saying that I won't be surprised when it happens and you apparently will because you somehow felt insulted by that. I don't understand why, but I'm very confident that I'll be proven correct. All I have to do is look down the pathway that we're traveling and see where it leads.

has it come about in developed countries not named the United States?

 

[Gameface]

I agree with your opinion on showering privacy. Some people are okay with showering publicly and some hate it. The ones who hate it should definitely not be forced to.

I honestly think you're misunderstanding where the left is going on this issue, though. The scenario I suggested above is going to come about in real life, and soon. And then there will be another issue and another issue and another, always pushing this boundary to the left. You negged me for saying that I won't be surprised when it happens and you apparently will because you somehow felt insulted by that. I don't understand why, but I'm very confident that I'll be proven correct. All I have to do is look down the pathway that we're traveling and see where it leads.

I negged you because I asked you a direct question three times and you never answered it. That's what I said in the neg, and also that instead of answering you called me naive. I didn't feel like you were contributing to the discussion, just ratcheting up the animosity.

 

[Boris]

has it come about in developed countries not named the United States?

I imagine the perverts take your stance n not gamefaces. Tell us is there a specific reason u want dudes exposing there selves to chicks? Come out the closet. What is your goal here? Easy access? You a peeping tom or something?