What happens when Trump loses?

[LogGrad98]

Oh okay. that small correction is not directed at you then.

I'm going to piggy back your post further.

DJT says stuff like "The American dream is dead" which is totally and painfully true for a lot of these people, and a lot of the current working class. He speaks directly to their pain, while democrats for the past two decades or so will be like "look the stock market is going up" and "hey more jobs created this month" but to people who are struggling to survive, this means nothing.

Unfortunately, DJT just used this righteous anger rhetoric to gain voters and then turn around and further bury these people which is especially ****ed up. Governors like Walz and Beshear have shown that a labor-forward campaign and governance can win over these people.

In violent agreement.

 

[The Thriller]

You desperately need to watch the video I posted in the other thread. This kind of dismissive attitude toward the "forgotten man" is part of what has created the block that would vote a Trump into office. There was a time when the Democrats weren't just "leftists" but actually were the party of the common man. A common perception anymore is that they are the party of the intellectual and left elites who think the common man are now rubes and uneducated trash. No wonder they won't vote blue any more.

I’m not talking about ignoring the working man. That’s not Trump’s base. The working man overwhelmingly voted for Clinton and Biden and supports Harris. The common man still votes blue and it shows why in the Democratic platform. I’m talking about the ignorant, disengaged, racist, conspiratorial kooks. Many of these people are well to do and find entertainment and meaning to life in stirring the pot by injecting their vitriol and ignorance into our school boards and presidential elections.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Gerrymandering going away? I can't wait.

Gerrymandering has no effect on statewide elections.

Democrats are a center-right neo-liberal party with an obvious bias towards corporatism and free market values.

I don't think you understand what corporatism is. It is syndicalist socialism. Corporatism is the dividing up of the economy into trade groups for the purposes of establishing top-down government control. Your opinion is claiming that Democrats are socialists who want a command economy and they also vehemently oppose a command economy. While I find the picture of Democrats being a circular firing squad to be funny, I think it more likely that isn't your opinion but rather a product of your use of terms you don't understand.

Corporatism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Safetydan]

Gerrymandering has no effect on statewide elections.


I don't think you understand what corporatism is. It is syndicalist socialism. Corporatism is the dividing up of the economy into trade groups for the purposes of establishing top-down government control. Your opinion is claiming that Democrats are socialists who want a command economy and they also vehemently oppose a command economy. While I find the picture of Democrats being a circular firing squad to be funny, I think it more likely that isn't your opinion but rather a product of your use of terms you don't understand.

Corporatism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Busted. I'm firing from the hip while I'm at work and I only half-read your post. I'm not overly concerned with denotation when I pump out a sentence in 3.5 seconds. I'll apologize though.

Please take the word out or replace it with corporate capitalism or corporatocracy.

 

[LogGrad98]

I’m not talking about ignoring the working man. That’s not Trump’s base. The working man overwhelmingly voted for Clinton and Biden and supports Harris. The common man still votes blue and it shows why in the Democratic platform. I’m talking about the ignorant, disengaged, racist, conspiratorial kooks. Many of these people are well to do and find entertainment and meaning to life in stirring the pot by injecting their vitriol and ignorance into our school boards and presidential elections.

I think the common man/working man group is more split than you think. I think the democrats have lost more of them than you think. Did you watch that video? I know it is a single video but it outlines a common complaint among Trump supporters, who are largely working class people.

 

[default]

I still think Trump should have picked Tulsi Gabbard as his VP. His chances of winning would be much higher than with JD Vance.

 

[Bucknutz]

I think the common man/working man group is more split than you think. I think the democrats have lost more of them than you think. Did you watch that video? I know it is a single video but it outlines a common complaint among Trump supporters, who are largely working class people.

Yours and Safetydans posts are spot on. Totally agree.

 

[Safetydan]

I still think Trump should have picked Tulsi Gabbard as his VP. His chances of winning would be much higher than with JD Vance.

Yep, He'd get all the horned up 55+ male demographic which he definitely doesn't already have.

 

[default]

Yep, He'd get all the horned up 55+ male demographic which he definitely doesn't already have.

That was a bizarre response. Gabbard is a former democrat in congress, is near the middle politically which Vance is not, and is female. Any of those can be positives versus adding another white male that is far from center. She would have been a better option to sway independent voters, women, and republicans that are not as far to the right.

 

[Safetydan]

That was a bizarre response. Gabbard is a former democrat in congress, is near the middle politically which Vance is not, and is female. Any of those can be positives versus adding another white male that is far from center. She would have been a better option to sway independent voters, women, and republicans that are not as far to the right.

Take your horny posting elsewhere sir.

 

[default]

Take your horny posting elsewhere sir.

You have issues sir.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I still think Trump should have picked Tulsi Gabbard as his VP. His chances of winning would be much higher than with JD Vance.

It wouldn't matter. Trump has no shot at winning this election. He would have lost even if he'd chosen Michelle Obama to be his VP.

The American system of government works different from how nearly everyone thinks it does, and it is difficult to understate the impact of the changes made to the American voting system before the 2020 election. From America's economic prosperity, to supposedly leftist Democrats being a neo-liberal corporate capitalist party, to America being dominated by a two party system, and many other quirks, are a product of the way votes are counted.

Democracy is a lie. It is an illusion of choice. That isn't a crackpot theory but was mathematically proven back in 1951 by Kenneth Arrow in his PhD thesis 'Social Choice and Individual Values' for which he won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1972. Every possible system for determining public sentiment has faults, and the faults of our system serve to guide our government in a specific direction. You can get anomalous periods where there are three or four parties but the system is self correcting. This phenomenon is called Duverger's Law.

Duverger's law - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

simple.wikipedia.org

America isn't more prosperous because the American people are better, but because Americans exist in a system biased toward generating prosperity. The system isn't a guarantee. There will always exist people who don't prosper, but no system has proved a bias toward prosperity as robust as the American system. We talk about our government being a marketplace of ideas but the truth is the political squabbling is much ado about nothing while the system quietly does what it does in the background to generate more prosperity.... or at least that is how things worked up until 2020.

In 2020, the way our voting system works was radically changed. It will change our government because our government is determined by the system.

 

[Sardines]

That was a bizarre response. Gabbard is a former democrat in congress, is near the middle politically which Vance is not, and is female. Any of those can be positives versus adding another white male that is far from center. She would have been a better option to sway independent voters, women, and republicans that are not as far to the right.

Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset.

 

[The Thriller]

I think the common man/working man group is more split than you think. I think the democrats have lost more of them than you think. Did you watch that video? I know it is a single video but it outlines a common complaint among Trump supporters, who are largely working class people.

I’m trying to find it. If it’s in this thread, I apologize, I’m just not seeing it. Maybe old age is taking a toll on my eyes?

I don’t think m Trump supporters are largely Working class. Democrats won voters earning $100,000 or less by a pretty large margin, 60-40. This includes nearly 90 percent of black voters, 65 percent of Hispanic voters, and 60 percent Asian voters. Meanwhile Trump won 54 percent of those voters making $100,000 or more. Pew has exit polls showing that Trump’s strongest demo are white dudes who make over $250,000 per year.

So I’m curious what you mean by working class voters making up the bulk of Trump’s base. If it’s easier, could you just send me the link to your video via dm? Or paste the link here so others following this discussion can watch it as well? I’d like to watch it.

National Results 2020 President exit polls.

See National Results 2020 President exit polls.

www.cnn.com

 

[Elizah Huge]

People really think Trump would call to legit violence if he lost?

 

[The Thriller]

Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset.

This.

So much this.

 

[fishonjazz]

People really think Trump would call to legit violence if he lost?

Well, I mean since he already did once I don't see how it is a far fetched thought.

When you tell a pissed off mob to march to the capital and fight or you won't have a country anymore then what would you think the outcome might be?

Then when you see thousands of your supporters chanting hang Mike pence outside the building that Mike pence is in and then those supporters break down windows and doors to get into the building where Congress is residing and you see them attacking cops etc and you sit there and do nothing as the current president what kind of message does that send?

Then you call these people great people that you love and call them patriots and political hostages and say you will pardon them from their sentences that were handed down in a court of law. What kind of message does that send?

Trump was glued to the TV during the insurrection enjoying what he was seeing.

Trump likes seeing the violence in his name on his behalf. That much is quite clear.

(fwiw I dont think that will happen but also dont think its far fetched)

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[LogGrad98]

People really think Trump would call to legit violence if he lost?

Yes. He did the last time. Why not this time? And now he is bolder and more desperate so instead of just telling his base that the election is being stolen from them and they need to fight like hell to overturn it, he'll just straight up send them into the fire, locked and loaded.

Edit: damnit @fishonjazz beat me to it, but with less snark. -18....so he only gets 84 internets!

 

[The Thriller]

As I’ve said before… trump supporters are either dumber than rocks or ****** people. It’s 2024. We shouldn’t be wondering if he’d call for violence in the event he loses. He’s already done that. It’s like asking if Draymond green will kick a player in the balls if he’s frustrated.

 

[Sardines]

This.

So much this.

I honestly don't understand why people aren't talking about this.

RFK Jr
Tulsi
JD Vance
Trump
MTG

This is the starting lineup of Russia's sleeper squad in the U.S..

It started looking like the Dems would win the White House while at the same time Ukraine is taking territory in Russia, so Putin panicked and ordered all of his U.S. assets to combine and concentrate. Thus RFK jr, Tulsi joined the actual Trump campaign. Putin is panicked that Trump isn't going to win the 2024 election, which is his only path to victory. So he ordered his assets to join with Trump and hopefully boost his numbers enough to cover the Kamala bounce.

Tulsi is a Russian asset.

This is known.