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** What if? Lebron and the Jazz/ is it that off track??**

QuinSnydersHair said:
Not at the max or even too close to it I don't think. Between Favors newer deal and a bunch of high picks (Kanter, Exum, Burke), we're probably already around 25M. And that doesn't include Burks or anyone else.
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with the 2 1st rounders we just drafted, we're at about $32M.

the luxury tax is now $77MM


just said it was possible to sign two max players, didnt go into the ramifications on our current players.
 
The report below is a total fabrication, but persons not named seattlejazzfan might find it illuminating.


As they chase free agents to join with their superstars, the Miami Heat are telling free agents they expect to have as much as $12 million in salary-cap space after getting LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to re-sign, sources told ESPN.com.
Bob Donnan/USA TODAY SportsWith the Heat telling free agents they have as much as $12 million in cap room, it would seem to indicate that Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade, at left, would be willing to take less to return.


With James demanding a maximum contract starting around $20.7 million, this indicates that Wade and Bosh have expressed a willingness to take drastic pay cuts to help the Heat add talent to the roster.
This has freed up the Heat to become a serious bidder for free agent point guard Kyle Lowry, whom they are seeking a meeting with, sources said.
Wade and Bosh were each scheduled to earn earn more than $20 million this upcoming season and a total of $40 million over the next two years. But they opted out of those contracts this past weekend, as did teammate Udonis Haslem, who was scheduled to make $4.6 million next season.
Last week, James, Wade and Bosh met and started to hash out some rough contract numbers between them. In 2010, they all agreed to take less than the maximum salary to help add free agents to the roster. At the meeting, sources told ESPN, James made it clear he would only accept the maximum salary number for the upcoming season.
On Tuesday, the Portland Oregonian reported that Bosh has plans to accept a five-year contract starting at $11 million, and Wade would accept a four-year deal starting at $12 million. Combined with James and a representative number for Haslem, the Heat would indeed have the space to go after top free agents like Lowry and Washington Wizards free agent center Marcin Gortat.
James, however, had not decided how long of a contract he is seeking from the Heat and could accept a short-term deal, sources told ESPN.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
I tip my hat to you for having the balls and brains to spell out some truth. I myself would usually provide some half-wit remark to such a post but in this instance, I'm going to hold back and semi-agree with what you said.

However, ignoring the background factors like nightlife, demographic and so forth, one big thing is still missing here in Utah to attract Lebron imo and that is another star. Yes, Bosh and even moreso, Wade, are shells of their past selves but they are still better than anything we have. Who is there to take that pressure off of Lebron? At this moment, nobody. Now if we somehow got someone like Rondo then yeah, maybe we'd have a chance but as of now, we have no shot. Lebron's not here to watch a team grow. He wants to win now and would need such a piece.
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You call this thing truth?
 
jope said:
with the 2 1st rounders we just drafted, we're at about $32M.

the luxury tax is now $77MM


just said it was possible to sign two max players, didnt go into the ramifications on our current players.
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Ummm, no. You have to have space under the CAP, not the tax threshold to sign FA's. Once you get to the cap, you then can only use exceptions, including those to retain your own players. And yes, there are cap holds for the draft picks and a minimum of 12 roster spots.

The cap hold for Gordon is 250% of his current salary (so $8.6M). IF the Jazz renounce the rights to all FA's, including the non-guaranteed contracts of Lucas, Clark, Thomas and Murphy, the Jazz would be at just under $40M for 9 players. Then add automatic cap holds for 3 more players of about $1.5M (3x rookie minimum salary of $507K). BTW, I'm using the cap hold amounts for the #5 and #23 picks for Exum and Hood. In reality, their salaries likely come in at closer to the 120% level of the base scale.

So Jazz would be sitting at $41.3M with the cap expected to increase to just over $63M. Jazz would have about $22M in cap room for a FA. Remember, that is with Hayward at $8.6M, so cap space likely decreases once he is signed or if the Jazz match an offer.

So yes, let's pursue that S&T with Miami for Lebron. LBJ wants the MAX, he wants to play in SLC and Bosh and Wade wouldn't have to take pay cuts. If Lindsey can't git 'er done, he should be FIRED!
 
And just as an FYI, for bookkeeping purposes, cap holds are also in place for Jefferson, Williams and Rush. Those will need to be renounced.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Lebron has a big choice to make as far as what team he joins next. He has made it clear that he is going after a max contract. There are 7 teams that can offer that without making a single move and the Jazz are one of those teams. I know that Lebron would never consider Utah as a destination, but why not? If Lebron is looking to separate himself from the past superstars (Jordan, Bryant) and do something that none have them ever thought of, then joining the Jazz isn't that bad of a situation. (Not saying Lebron would ever be considered better than Jordan) We are so quick to exclude ourselves from the teams that Lebron could end up signing with, but realistically, we are one of the ones he should consider. We have the money to offer him a max contact and joining a team like the Jazz (new coach, new ideas) I'm sure that the Jazz would take immediate action to build the team around him starting from the day he signs a contract. He wouldn't have to wait for multiple years for a team to build around him.

Currently, seven teams have the cap space to offer James a deal starting at $20.7 million next season: the Heat, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers, Phoenix Suns, Utah Jazz, Philadelphia 76ers and Orlando Magic.

I think that it would be stupid of the Jazz to just count themselves out because we are the Utah Jazz. If your Lebron and you want to do something out of the ordinary to prove yourself worthy of guys like Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Then do something none of them did. Win an MVP with 3 teams and make that 3rd team a team that no one would anticipate you going to, and make them a champion.
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I was thinking the same thing Negro. LeBron turns a small market team to a blockbuster team on ESPN every night. If I was him, I'd do it.

#nohomer
#seewhatididthur?
 
Do it, Lebron...




...sign with the 76'ers.
Nerlens Noel is back from injury. They have a decent F in Young and MCW at the point. They'll get Embiid by end of the season. Trick EVERYONE in the league. They all thought Philly was tanking. But they'll sign you and Hayward to contracts and be an instant contender.
 
VINYLONE said:
How can you argue against this post? It's not that the outside world THINKS your weird, the state of Utah IS weird. In comparison to the rest of the country, Utahr is super ****ing weird. Furthermore, when someone like Mr. James has the pick of the litter, why would he ever choose the runt?
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Utah is weird? Have you ever lived outside of Utah? I currently live in Las Vegas. I have lived in Utah as well as California. Utah is only weird in terms of liquor laws. I am pretty sure that if Lebron is choosing where he plays based on a state's liquor laws, than for one he wouldn't be the best basketball player currently in the NBA, second of all there is a much bigger problem. Not to mention when you are the biggest athlete in america, do you really think that Lebron goes and buys his own liquor?? When you make millions you pay people to do your shopping for you. And when he wants to go out with his wife, he can fly there and be anywhere in the country in several hours. Lebron probably wouldn't live in Utah either. Most players live in another state from that of which they play. Lebron is a family man, and an athlete, not an alcoholic.
 
It's not just Utah's booze laws. Look at the culture man! The culture!

Outside of park city, you have one of the strangest cultures on earth. It's the closest thing you'll ever get to a theocracy here in America.

Folks who get all defensive about Utah's weirdness need to take off the Mormon glasses.

And this is coming from an active returned missionary Mormon.

I know of a black administrator at a school. A mom came in to meet to discuss her son. Upon entering his office she reached out to touch his beard. She hadn't ever met a black person before. This is a 35 year old woman.

The culture. The culture is just so weird. Zero diversity and a ultra conservative political leaning has merged with religion.

It's weird man, just weird.

If you can't see this then there's nothing left to say. I'm sorry.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Utah is weird? Have you ever lived outside of Utah? I currently live in Las Vegas. I have lived in Utah as well as California. Utah is only weird in terms of liquor laws. I am pretty sure that if Lebron is choosing where he plays based on a state's liquor laws, than for one he wouldn't be the best basketball player currently in the NBA, second of all there is a much bigger problem. Not to mention when you are the biggest athlete in america, do you really think that Lebron goes and buys his own liquor?? When you make millions you pay people to do your shopping for you. And when he wants to go out with his wife, he can fly there and be anywhere in the country in several hours. Lebron probably wouldn't live in Utah either. Most players live in another state from that of which they play. Lebron is a family man, and an athlete, not an alcoholic.
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I have.

Utah is by far the strangest place I've lived in... I've lived in Arizona, California, and Brazil (twice)

It's not all bad. The weirdness spreads to good things too. In general, I see far less graffiti and bars on windows unless I'm in West Valley. The weirdness draws people to the state too, right? But a state which prides itself on being a strange and unique people will also turn a lot of people away. I would definitely say that non-Mormon blacks are the highest at risk to be alienated and feel uncomfortable in this strange culture.
 
The Thriller said:
It's not just Utah's booze laws. Look at the culture man! The culture!

Outside of park city, you have one of the strangest cultures on earth. It's the closest thing you'll ever get to a theocracy here in America.

Folks who get all defensive about Utah's weirdness need to take off the Mormon glasses.

And this is coming from an active returned missionary Mormon.

I know of a black administrator at a school. A mom came in to meet to discuss her son. Upon entering his office she reached out to touch his beard. She hadn't ever met a black person before. This is a 35 year old woman.

The culture. The culture is just so weird. Zero diversity and a ultra conservative political leaning has merged with religion.

It's weird man, just weird.

If you can't see this then there's nothing left to say. I'm sorry.
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I grew up in Utah being an Italian/Catholic, I am very faithful to my Catholic religion. I live in Las Vegas. You call Utah weird? I just went to the gas station to buy a bottle of Vodka and there was a meth'd out hooker threatening to kill the gas station clerk because he wouldn't refund her for a box of cereal that she bought at a completely different store. I go to the sports book to watch a game and I see hookers everywhere accepting money for sex. Last week I was driving on 2-15 and was caught in the middle of a high speed chase with my 3 year old daughter in the back seat of my car. I am here because of my career and the money. I would chose Utah's very nice but closed minded Mormons over the Las Vegas drug addicts and crack whores any day of the week.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
I grew up in Utah being an Italian/Catholic, I am very faithful to my Catholic religion. I live in Las Vegas. You call Utah weird? I just went to the gas station to buy a bottle of Vodka and there was a meth'd out hooker threatening to kill the gas station clerk because he wouldn't refund her for a box of cereal that she bought at a completely different store. I go to the sports book to watch a game and I see hookers everywhere accepting money for sex. Last week I was driving on 2-15 and was caught in the middle of a high speed chase with my 3 year old daughter in the back seat of my car. I am here because of my career and the money. I would chose Utah's very nice but closed minded Mormons over the Las Vegas drug addicts and crack whores any day of the week.
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Drugs make people do weird stuff. And it sounds to me that if you want to compare your micro experience (gas station) to the macro experience (the prevalent culture in utah) then this debate is over.

I'm sure if I hit up any University of Utah gas stations I'd have the exact same experience you just had. Plus, they'd force me to hear their terrible might song and watch highlights from their past 100 terrible QBs and offensive coordinators from the last 3 years.
 
Frankly to most people outside of the state, Utah is really a non-issue. Most people know less than nothing about it. In fact Exum and his comment about the city of Utah sums up probably 90% of the country in terms of their thoughts about Utah at all. People getting all worked up over nothing.
 
Lol. Thriller go spend sometime in the south, Dakotas and New England then get back to us.

Utah for sure has it's quirks and uniqueness. But so does everywhere else.
 
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