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What is the catch with Gobert?

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I looked at the highlights: he is really big, fast and athletic. On top of that he has a reputation of being a hard worker, no expensive long-term contract in Europe and no history of injuries. In the last ten years bigs with lesser physical gifts have been routinely selected in the top 10, but Gobert lasted almost to the second round.

His floor seems to be being a solid bench player. So, why did so many teams pass on him? Am I missing something?
 
This draft was weird all round IMO.

- Anthony Bennett at #1?? Are you ****ting me? Great scorer, sure. But what position will he guard in the NBA??

- Cody at #4? What? Why didn't the Cats trade down to grab him around #7-8?

- McLemore & Noel dropped wayyyyy too far

- Lillard & McCollum?? Really?? Great offensively, but who's gonna guard the 2 guard of the other team?

- GSW traded up, then traded down 3 times to save $45K ?? What??

- Pacers picking up Solomon Hill in the first round. Solomon Who??? Couldn't they trade down and grab him later on?

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Considering all of that, Gobert dropping that far doesn't surprise me 1 little bit.
 
Well, I guess his major weakness is that he has no offensive game beyond dunks.
 
colton said:
Well, I guess his major weakness is that he has no offensive game beyond dunks.
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But then how do you explain Dieng going 7 picks earlier at #21?

- He also doesn't have an offensive game

- He's older

- He isn't as tall

- Worst of all, he has no upside whatsoever.

This just adds to the weirdness of the whole draft.......... Are these new GM's relying too much on Stats/Metrics that they can't see the simple truths?
 
He's got a nice little jump shot beginning at about 48 seconds.. But can he semi-consistently do that in a game? I really doubt it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpjvo-BI10A
 
Mostly his offensive ability, I also think he has the highest potential to be really good or crash hard.
 
Nobody needs him to score. I personally don't think that is the biggest reason why he wasn't picked higher. The biggest reason from what I have read and watched is he his a HORRIBLE post defender. He gets pushed around like crazy. They back him down with ease. They push him under the basket than lay it up. The guys that were doing this to him were much much smaller than him. I am not so high on him. I think Jeff Withey is a better player. BUT Gobert has much more potential.
The key to Gobert staying in the league is not whether he can have an offensive game or not. Its can he bulk up and learn to guard the post? Not the best defensive rebounder also because he cannot hold his position either. Don't have so many high expectations for this kid. He has a long ways to go before we should be really excited.
Gobert is great at help defense. He is amazing at pick and roll defense. He is amazing at getting tip balls and tipping it into the basket.

He already is really really good at those things. BUT if he never learns to play post defense he will be out of the league. I am sure the Jazz are aware of this because it seems to be widely known in his scouting reports. Watch this video on his weaknesses towards the end. I ignore the scoring part. He will never be asked to do so on this team. Kanter OR Favors will always be in the game with him(If Corbin is smart so.......lol).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43nbxlfcTl0
 
Hotttnickkk said:
This draft was weird all round IMO.

- Anthony Bennett at #1?? Are you ****ting me? Great scorer, sure. But what position will he guard in the NBA??

- Cody at #4? What? Why didn't the Cats trade down to grab him around #7-8?

- McLemore & Noel dropped wayyyyy too far

- Lillard & McCollum?? Really?? Great offensively, but who's gonna guard the 2 guard of the other team?

- GSW traded up, then traded down 3 times to save $45K ?? What??

- Pacers picking up Solomon Hill in the first round. Solomon Who??? Couldn't they trade down and grab him later on?

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Considering all of that, Gobert dropping that far doesn't surprise me 1 little bit.
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Bennet will be just as good as any of the others in the top 7. I'm certain you never saw one unlv game this year.
 
Twin Towers said:
Nobody needs him to score. I personally don't think that is the biggest reason why he wasn't picked higher. The biggest reason from what I have read and watched is he his a HORRIBLE post defender. He gets pushed around like crazy. They back him down with ease. They push him under the basket than lay it up. The guys that were doing this to him were much much smaller than him. I am not so high on him. I think Jeff Withey is a better player. BUT Gobert has much more potential.
The key to Gobert staying in the league is not whether he can have an offensive game or not. Its can he bulk up and learn to guard the post? Not the best defensive rebounder also because he cannot hold his position either. Don't have so many high expectations for this kid. He has a long ways to go before we should be really excited.
Gobert is great at help defense. He is amazing at pick and roll defense. He is amazing at getting tip balls and tipping it into the basket.

He already is really really good at those things. BUT if he never learns to play post defense he will be out of the league. I am sure the Jazz are aware of this because it seems to be widely known in his scouting reports. Watch this video on his weaknesses towards the end. I ignore the scoring part. He will never be asked to do so on this team. Kanter OR Favors will always be in the game with him(If Corbin is smart so.......lol).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43nbxlfcTl0
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Yeah OK, but I would say this:

1. He will grow into that frame. He's only 21.

2. We already have 2 decent post defenders with thick bodies in Favors & Kanter. Gobert would likely play with 1 of these guys.

3. Less and less teams have low post scoring C or PF. If needed to, we can just throw Favors/Kanter to guard them. While Gobert can roam the paint to block shots.

4. The way the league is going, there's a lot of Westbrooks/Rose/Wade/SF slasher types. Gobert is tailored made of these types of players. He has long arms and if he goes straight up - that's not a foul in the NBA for the defensive player. If he can learn to do that & alter shots without fouling, he's a great asset to have.
 
Vermin said:
Bennet will be just as good as any of the others in the top 7. I'm certain you never saw one unlv game this year.
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He's a talent no doubt offensively. I'm still a bit worried about him defensively... is he big enough to guard the likes of David West as a PF? Can he chase around the likes of LeBron as a SF?

Also why not trade down, pick up an asset and pick him at #5? I doubt he'll go that high.
 
All the college guys on the post draft show backed up Bennett being selected number one. In this draft it was just who you preferred. Cleveland wanted a stretch four and they got the best one in the draft.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
He's a talent no doubt offensively. I'm still a bit worried about him defensively... is he big enough to guard the likes of David West as a PF? Can he chase around the likes of LeBron as a SF?

Also why not trade down, pick up an asset and pick him at #5? I doubt he'll go that high.
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He would have went third. He is better than Otto and time will prove this. Bennet can guard fours no doubt. He just was not willed too. Mike brown will correct this.
 
Vermin said:
He would have went third. He is better than Otto and time will prove this. Bennet can guard fours no doubt. He just was not willed too. Mike brown will correct this.
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I think the Cavs envisioned Kyrie and Bennett playing PnR together and yes I do agree that is a deadly combination. Varejao is certainly big enough to roam the pain by himself I suppose... he's hardly ever healthy though.
 
I'm not homering on him because he is certainly not perfect. He can be lazy, but he was nursing injuries which we found out after the season. He was an absolute beast the first half of the season. I think we all can agree that noel should have never been the consensus number 1. I mean why? There truly were a number of players that could have been number one this year and all had huge question marks.
 
Twin Towers said:
Nobody needs him to score. I personally don't think that is the biggest reason why he wasn't picked higher. The biggest reason from what I have read and watched is he his a HORRIBLE post defender. He gets pushed around like crazy. They back him down with ease. They push him under the basket than lay it up. The guys that were doing this to him were much much smaller than him. I am not so high on him. I think Jeff Withey is a better player. BUT Gobert has much more potential.
The key to Gobert staying in the league is not whether he can have an offensive game or not. Its can he bulk up and learn to guard the post? Not the best defensive rebounder also because he cannot hold his position either. Don't have so many high expectations for this kid. He has a long ways to go before we should be really excited.
Gobert is great at help defense. He is amazing at pick and roll defense. He is amazing at getting tip balls and tipping it into the basket.

He already is really really good at those things. BUT if he never learns to play post defense he will be out of the league. I am sure the Jazz are aware of this because it seems to be widely known in his scouting reports. Watch this video on his weaknesses towards the end. I ignore the scoring part. He will never be asked to do so on this team. Kanter OR Favors will always be in the game with him(If Corbin is smart so.......lol).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43nbxlfcTl0
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This is where Karl coming back to the organization could really help him. Thanks for the share.
 
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