What PG do you want the jazz to go get?

[fishonjazz]

Yes Conley would be fantastic and I even think a bit realistic. We would have to pay him big big time though. I'm ok with that

 

[Doublea]

Yes Conley would be fantastic and I even think a bit realistic. We would have to pay him big big time though. I'm ok with that

He is kinda old though...

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yes Conley would be fantastic and I even think a bit realistic. We would have to pay him big big time though. I'm ok with that

I third that notion. He'd be the starter while Exum is returning from his injury and then proves he can be aggressive and hit shots.

But I think he's going to be way too expensive. The market will get bid way high with pretty much every team having a boatload of cap space. So Utah would have to overpay to attract Conley. Not concerned with Utah's cap space over the next two years, but when Hayward and Favors come up for new contracts, with Gobert right behind, I'm not sure the Jazz could fit in Conley's deal in years 3 or 4 without going over the luxury tax threshold.

 

[Doublea]

I third that notion. He'd be the starter while Exum is returning from his injury and then proves he can be aggressive and hit shots.

But I think he's going to be way too expensive. The market will get bid way high with pretty much every team having a boatload of cap space. So Utah would have to overpay to attract Conley. Not concerned with Utah's cap space over the next two years, but when Hayward and Favors come up for new contracts, with Gobert right behind, I'm not sure the Jazz could fit in Conley's deal in years 3 or 4 without going over the luxury tax threshold.

I don't really think it'll be an over pay as he'll probably just the max from the team that wants him.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't really think it'll be an over pay as he'll probably just the max from the team that wants him.

You think he's worth $25M/per? That's about what a max contract would be next year for him.

I assumed a cap of around $90M. He'll have 9 years in the league so he can be paid 30%. Max contracts are based on BRI, not the actual cap though, and are generally a couple million lower. That's why I put $25M instead of $27M.

I don't think Conley will get the max, but there are going to be some crazy contracts getting signed.

 

[Doublea]

You think he's worth $25M/per? That's about what a max contract would be next year for him.

I assumed a cap of around $90M. He'll have 9 years in the league so he can be paid 30%. Max contracts are based on BRI, not the actual cap though, and are generally a couple million lower. That's why I put $25M instead of $27M.

I don't think Conley will get the max, but there are going to be some crazy contracts getting signed.

It doesn't really matter what I think, players are getting paid right now.

 

[NUMBERICA]

It doesn't really matter what I think, players are getting paid right now.

It's weird to think that that really is both accurate and sensible. But, yeah.

 

[karl malone]

Conley would be great but I don't see him as a realistic option (unless he is acquired via trade, which would be expensive & unlikely, as would re-signing him after his contract expires). The time to acquire a starting caliber PG is now (or by this upcoming trade-deadline at the latest). When considering fit, age, contract, etc, the best (realistic) option that I continually come up with is Avery Bradley.

-He is (potentially) available now at a reasonable price (due to the excess of G's in BOS)
-He is a great perimeter defender
-He is an upgrade offensively to Exum
-He is on a 3/24 contract (which will become even more of a bargain as the cap increases)
-He is young & can continue to develop along with the rest of our core
-He is (by all accounts) a high-character person with a strong work-ethic who should fit in well with the rest of the team
-He is a decent 3-pt shooter (& continuing to improve)
-He can play PG (in our offensive system) & SG (meaning that he can contribute regardless of what happens with Exum's injury/development)
-He allows the team to stick to the formula (offensively & defensively) that brought them success at the end of last season

Obviously it comes down to the price it would take to acquire him & if that turns out to be too expensive, trading for Chalmers (in a salary dump) or signing Cole (at a minimum cost) would be decent (cheap) alternatives but unlikely to make a significant difference in the outcome of this upcoming season. Jennings of DET could also be a realistic option that would likely have a strong impact on our team's success this year, but unlike Bradley, he is only under contract for this season. Also, unlike Jennings, Bradley would allow the team to maintain it's newly formed defensive identity & seamlessly transition from Exum to him at PG, as well as back to Exum (if he eventually earns his starting job back in the future).

The team discovered a winning formula & Bradley would allow the team to continue using that formula. His contract also assures that he would still be a part of the team's future, whether starting or coming off of the bench (acting as our young version of Tony Allen). Imo, Bradley is such a great fit that he would be worth slightly overpaying for. I could even see his acquisition propelling this team to a top 5/6 seed this year (which I believe would go along way towards convincing Hayward, & the rest of the core, to not only stay here long-term, but possibly even take minor pay-cuts in order to do so). If all it takes is a future 1st rd pick + filler to acquire him, it would be well worthwhile in the long run.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It doesn't really matter what I think, players are getting paid right now.

Yes, they are. And it's a good reason why Utah should stay out of the FA market next season. Some of these contracts are going to be really, really bad. Almost all will be overpays. Utah needs to reserve their cash for their own stars down the road. But perhaps there might be a player who gets overlooked while everyone is chasing the bigger names.. That's how Atlanta got Millsap on the cheap. Everyone had already shot their, ummm, spent their cash and Atlanta got a huge bargain.

As for Bradley, yes, it would be a good fit. But dealing with Ainge is like dealing with the devil. He has a reputation for wanting way more than what a player is worth. I don't see a Utah/Boston deal ever happening because DL has a reputation for walking away if the price is too high. But you never know. Personally, if the Jazz are in good shape at the deadline (i.e. in solid playoff position), I'd put top-3 protection on the pick (just in case) and offer Ainge our 2016 1st rounder and a boatload of 2nd's and see if he bites.

 

[Doublea]

Yes, they are. And it's a good reason why Utah should stay out of the FA market next season. Some of these contracts are going to be really, really bad. Almost all will be overpays. Utah needs to reserve their cash for their own stars down the road. But perhaps there might be a player who gets overlooked while everyone is chasing the bigger names.. That's how Atlanta got Millsap on the cheap. Everyone had already shot their, ummm, spent their cash and Atlanta got a huge bargain.

As for Bradley, yes, it would be a good fit. But dealing with Ainge is like dealing with the devil. He has a reputation for wanting way more than what a player is worth. I don't see a Utah/Boston deal ever happening because DL has a reputation for walking away if the price is too high. But you never know. Personally, if the Jazz are in good shape at the deadline (i.e. in solid playoff position), I'd put top-3 protection on the pick (just in case) and offer Ainge our 2016 1st rounder and a boatload of 2nd's and see if he bites.

I dunno if they will be over pays, it's kind of hard to tell. The next steps of the rebuild are to continue developing our players and then acquire more talent in FA. I would still offer Conley a good deal, though he would probably only leave if the grizzlies were starting to rebuild. I haven't seen a lot of Bradley, but sounds like he could help.

 

[Miggs]

It's simple. Offer Conley the max. If we snag him, we have a legit shot to go to the finals next year. And he's still just 27.3 years of age to the numbnut who said he's kind of old.

Do this and worry about everyone else later. We'll find a way to keep everyone if we have to. I believe that.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

He is kinda old though...

Say whaa?

 

[Doublea]

Say whaa?

Yeah I didn't realize he's 27, that makes him even better for this team!

 

[Miggs]

It's simple. Offer Conley the max. If we snag him, we have a legit shot to go to the finals next year. And he's still just 27.3 years of age to the numbnut who said he's kind of old.

Do this and worry about everyone else later. We'll find a way to keep everyone if we have to. I believe that.

I wanna get this straight.

Hayward can opt out in 2016 or 2017?

We have a team option for Gobert for next season and therefore could re-up him in 2017, right? When can we offer him an extension? Any chance he'd take a 4 year, 60M one now?

Favors would have to be re-upped in 2018.

Burks (who cares really) in 2019.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I wanna get this straight.

Hayward can opt out in 2016 or 2017?

We have a team option for Gobert for next season and therefore could re-up him in 2017, right? When can we offer him an extension? Any chance he'd take a 4 year, 60M one now?

Favors would have to be re-upped in 2018.

Burks (who cares really) in 2019.

Wow, quoting yourself. That's novel.

Are you kidding...Gobert for $15M? If he signs for $25M/per that's going to be a bargain. The only way he could get an early contract is if the Jazz "Boozer-ed" him - i.e. they make him an UFA by not picking up his option. Like that will ever happen.

Hayward can opt out in 2 years.

Signing another FA to a 4 year max has minimal implications for the next two seasons. It's years 3 and 4 that would be problematic. I think it also destroys ANY chance we may have of Hayward, Favors or Gobert accepting less to keep the team together. DL would set the bar at $27M for a very good, but certainly not superstar player. And if I were any of those three, I'd then say, "hey, I'm better than Conley, so pay me more."

 

[Miggs]

Wow, quoting yourself. That's novel.

Are you kidding...Gobert for $15M? If he signs for $25M/per that's going to be a bargain. The only way he could get an early contract is if the Jazz "Boozer-ed" him - i.e. they make him an UFA by not picking up his option. Like that will ever happen.

Hayward can opt out in 2 years.

Signing another FA to a 4 year max has minimal implications for the next two seasons. It's years 3 and 4 that would be problematic. I think it also destroys ANY chance we may have of Hayward, Favors or Gobert accepting less to keep the team together. DL would set the bar at $27M for a very good, but certainly not superstar player. And if I were any of those three, I'd then say, "hey, I'm better than Conley, so pay me more."

But Gobert is so young, what's the most he can get even at the max?

 

[Doublea]

Wow, quoting yourself. That's novel.

Are you kidding...Gobert for $15M? If he signs for $25M/per that's going to be a bargain. The only way he could get an early contract is if the Jazz "Boozer-ed" him - i.e. they make him an UFA by not picking up his option. Like that will ever happen.

Hayward can opt out in 2 years.

Signing another FA to a 4 year max has minimal implications for the next two seasons. It's years 3 and 4 that would be problematic. I think it also destroys ANY chance we may have of Hayward, Favors or Gobert accepting less to keep the team together. DL would set the bar at $27M for a very good, but certainly not superstar player. And if I were any of those three, I'd then say, "hey, I'm better than Conley, so pay me more."

I wonder if ownership would be willing to pay the tax to keep our players.

 

[Stifle Tower]

But Gobert is so young, what's the most he can get even at the max?

Depends on what he does over the next couple of seasons.

A first round draft pick who completed all four years of his rookie scale contract, or a second round draft pick or an undrafted player who has four years of service, is eligible to receive a higher maximum salary if he meets certain criteria, called the "5th Year 30% Max" criteria:

• Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team at least twice
• Voted as a starter in the All-Star game at least twice
• Named the NBA Most Valuable Player at least once

Anthony Davis just signed an estimated 5 yr/$145M extension
If Rudy is in contention for DPOY, he probably makes the all-NBA third team (at least). But even if doesn't get the 30% deal, he'd be eligible for 25% of BRI. Cap will probably be around $100M when he comes up for his non-rookie deal. So count on $25M-$30M. And the same for Hayward. He'll be eligible for 30% due to length of time in the league.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I wonder if ownership would be willing to pay the tax to keep our players.

Maybe for one season. This CBA makes it very expensive to be a repeat offender.

 

[karl malone]

As for Bradley, yes, it would be a good fit. But dealing with Ainge is like dealing with the devil. He has a reputation for wanting way more than what a player is worth. I don't see a Utah/Boston deal ever happening because DL has a reputation for walking away if the price is too high. But you never know. Personally, if the Jazz are in good shape at the deadline (i.e. in solid playoff position), I'd put top-3 protection on the pick (just in case) and offer Ainge our 2016 1st rounder and a boatload of 2nd's and see if he bites.

I agree. DL & Ainge probably aren't the best match as far as trading partners due to the fact that both are known to be tough negotiatiors, but the reason I see this as a possibility is because Ainge just spent two 1st rd picks on Guards (one of which is somewhat similar to Bradley- Rozier), which is already the team's greatest area of strength with Thomas, Smart, & the aforementioned Bradley. Also, Smart & Bradley are somewhat redundantn, & I could see Ainge preferring Smart due to the fact that he is younger & still on his rookie contract. BOS is said to be in the market for a defensive big, & while we may not be able to offer that in return, we would be able to add to their immense collection of draft picks (as you suggested) which would give them more ammunition to go out & make a deal to acquire one.

While I agree that a deal is more likely to come to fruition at the trade deadline (as Ainge has aspirations to contend this season & would likely only trade a Guard if it is apparent that at least one of Rozier/Hunter are ready to contribute now), if the pick looks destined for the late teens-early twenties, I could see Ainge demanding more in return (even with an excessive amount of 2nd rd picks thrown in). I also question our ability to stay in the playoff race in the Western Conference without an upgrade at PG (unless Neto turns out to be a good defender, which I'm not confident will be the case).

If Ainge would accept, I would trade this year's unprotected 1st (as I'm confident we would be a playoff caliber team with Bradley's addition) as well as the OKC 1st (& multiple 2nd rd picks). While that would undoubtedly be an overpay, I see it being well worth it as this roster does not need another late-lottery caliber talent (especially in a weak draft class) & the fact that the trade would allow our team to not only maintain it's elite defense but upgrade offensively (at the PG position) would likely propel us to a top 5-6 seed would be an invaluable 1st step towards retaining our core players & establishing a potential long-term championship contender. It may not be an option, but if it is, we should aggressively pursuit it.