I think Livingston would be an amazing fit.
Honestly, I think our money is better spent on a back up PG and big, and allowing Alec and Hood to do their thing. Watching those 2 battle for the starting SG spot will be awesome.
What should we do in the off season?
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I think Livingston would be an amazing fit.
Honestly, I think our money is better spent on a back up PG and big, and allowing Alec and Hood to do their thing. Watching those 2 battle for the starting SG spot will be awesome.
As I mentioned on another thread, we need a starting shooting guard that can shoot the three point shot lights out. With the other players on the court, they don't even need to be the best defender. Before I would look at shoring up the bench, we need to find that player either through the draft, trade, or free agency.
green
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I'd trade our pick in a heartbeat. If you could get a 3&D guy for #10, count me in.
If you haven't noticed, I want Snell bad. Burke, our pick for Snell and a future first. I'd strongly consider that.
Coach Ellis
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I think that the job is Hood's to lose and he's going to get about 20 games to audition for it. If he can play as well as he did against Houston. . . I have a hard time thinking that he doesn't keep it. But the battle for that job will be epic.
Coach Ellis
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Current Roster
Point Guards - Exum, Burke, Clark (D-League) and Cotton (10 day)
Wings - Hayward, Burks (injured), Hood (recovering), Millsap, Jingles
Bigs - Gobert, Favors, Booker, Evans, Garrett (D-League) and Benimon (10 day)
If you figure that Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Hood, Exum, Booker, Millsap and Jingles are pretty safe due to a combination of role, production, cost and value; then that leaves the Jazz with 6 players that they should look to upgrade - Burke, Clark, Evans, Jarrett and two 10 day spots.
Key needs to fill should be 1.) Backup center, 2.) a backup PG that fits the system better and another 3&D wing to add depth and provide rest for Hayward. . .
1.) Sign C: Ante Tomic. The timing is right, there's nobody but Barcelona to compete with AND he's a great fit. Makes too much sense. 3 year deal for between $4-7 million per year, plus the buyout. (Tomic > Evans)
2.) Trade Burke and future draft picks as part of a deal to Atlanta for PG: Dennis Schroder. He's played for Quin Snyder and would make a helluva young PG tandem with Exum. Schroder has flashed enough potential that he'll be expensive, but not enough that he can't be acquired. Jazz should use some of their many, many assets this offseason to get better before the salary cap jump. Might need to get another team involved to pull it off, since Atlanta would probably prefer a vet to picks. (Schroder > Burke)
3.) Trade up for one of D'Angelo Russell, Stanley Johnson, Kristaps Porzingis or Mario Hezonja. Get value out of the last lottery pick the Jazz should have for awhile. (Lottery pick [especially Russell, Johnson, Porzingis or Hezonja] >>>>> Clark)
4.) Use the rest of the available cap space and/or assets to add another value free agent or veteran through trade, plus the rights to Neto and/or Pleiss AND two 2nd round picks (unless they get traded) to fill the last 3 open spots. That's more than enough assets to adequately fill the last 3 roster spots with guys who can contribute or who have great potential for down the road. (Free Agent, Neto, Pliess, Motum, mid 2nd round picks >>>>> Jarrett, Benimon and Cotton)
Potential Roster
01.) C: Rudy Gobert
02.) PF: Derrick Favors
03.) SF: Gordon Hayward
04.) SG: Alec Burks/Rodney Hood
05.) PG: Dante Exum
06.) C: Ante Tomic
07.) PF: Trevor Booker
08.) 2015 Draft pick - Russell, Johnson, Porzingis or Hezonja
09.) SG/6th: Rodney Hood/Alec Burks
10.) PG: Dennis Schroder
11.) SF/SG: Joe "Jingles" Ingles
12.) SG: Elijah Millsap
13.) Pick the best three options that you can afford between (A. Free Agents) DMC, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green, Gerald Green, Wes Matthews, etc, (B. Foreign Players) Raul Neto, Tibor Pleiss, Brock Motum, etc., and/or (C. Later Draft Picks) Justin Anderson, Delon Wright, Christian Wood, Aleksander Vezenkov, Domantas Sabonis, etc.
Point Guards - Exum, Burke, Clark (D-League) and Cotton (10 day)
Wings - Hayward, Burks (injured), Hood (recovering), Millsap, Jingles
Bigs - Gobert, Favors, Booker, Evans, Garrett (D-League) and Benimon (10 day)
If you figure that Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Hood, Exum, Booker, Millsap and Jingles are pretty safe due to a combination of role, production, cost and value; then that leaves the Jazz with 6 players that they should look to upgrade - Burke, Clark, Evans, Jarrett and two 10 day spots.
Key needs to fill should be 1.) Backup center, 2.) a backup PG that fits the system better and another 3&D wing to add depth and provide rest for Hayward. . .
1.) Sign C: Ante Tomic. The timing is right, there's nobody but Barcelona to compete with AND he's a great fit. Makes too much sense. 3 year deal for between $4-7 million per year, plus the buyout. (Tomic > Evans)
2.) Trade Burke and future draft picks as part of a deal to Atlanta for PG: Dennis Schroder. He's played for Quin Snyder and would make a helluva young PG tandem with Exum. Schroder has flashed enough potential that he'll be expensive, but not enough that he can't be acquired. Jazz should use some of their many, many assets this offseason to get better before the salary cap jump. Might need to get another team involved to pull it off, since Atlanta would probably prefer a vet to picks. (Schroder > Burke)
3.) Trade up for one of D'Angelo Russell, Stanley Johnson, Kristaps Porzingis or Mario Hezonja. Get value out of the last lottery pick the Jazz should have for awhile. (Lottery pick [especially Russell, Johnson, Porzingis or Hezonja] >>>>> Clark)
4.) Use the rest of the available cap space and/or assets to add another value free agent or veteran through trade, plus the rights to Neto and/or Pleiss AND two 2nd round picks (unless they get traded) to fill the last 3 open spots. That's more than enough assets to adequately fill the last 3 roster spots with guys who can contribute or who have great potential for down the road. (Free Agent, Neto, Pliess, Motum, mid 2nd round picks >>>>> Jarrett, Benimon and Cotton)
Potential Roster
01.) C: Rudy Gobert
02.) PF: Derrick Favors
03.) SF: Gordon Hayward
04.) SG: Alec Burks/Rodney Hood
05.) PG: Dante Exum
06.) C: Ante Tomic
07.) PF: Trevor Booker
08.) 2015 Draft pick - Russell, Johnson, Porzingis or Hezonja
09.) SG/6th: Rodney Hood/Alec Burks
10.) PG: Dennis Schroder
11.) SF/SG: Joe "Jingles" Ingles
12.) SG: Elijah Millsap
13.) Pick the best three options that you can afford between (A. Free Agents) DMC, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green, Gerald Green, Wes Matthews, etc, (B. Foreign Players) Raul Neto, Tibor Pleiss, Brock Motum, etc., and/or (C. Later Draft Picks) Justin Anderson, Delon Wright, Christian Wood, Aleksander Vezenkov, Domantas Sabonis, etc.
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Doublea
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I think you need to simmer down your expectations Ellis. Atlanta would be stupid to trade Schroeder, especially for Burke (not an upgrade from schroeder, and picks) They don't need picks, plus they will be getting a top 10 player in this draft from brooklyn. Schroeder has been one heck of a player off their bench and a big reason why they are succeeding this year.
Also you said trade up in the draft, how do you think we do that? You kept all of our players in your explanation, so I'm not really seeing how we could trade up.
Also you said trade up in the draft, how do you think we do that? You kept all of our players in your explanation, so I'm not really seeing how we could trade up.
Coach Ellis
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Very true. Obviously, it would take some maneuvering to do both, but I don't think that it's impossible. I think that Schroder would be obtainable, but at a steep cost. I'd look to obtain Schroder in a deal around the draft by facilitating a trade with Atlanta and another team. The Hawks get a veteran player that they covet for their starting lineup, the Jazz kick a bunch of future picks into the package and get Schroder back as compensation. Burke and picks could then be dealt to move up for one of the aforementioned lottery players IF one happens to slide down into range. I don't know if they will, but that would be the group of guys that I'd target. If it doesn't happen, then you pick the best player on your board and move on. I'd try to make the move for Schroder first though. It would take a substantial package to get him, but I think it would be worth it.
Doublea
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I think we would have a better chance at signing Jimmy Butler than all of that happening.
Why bring in Schroeder we have Exum? The Jazz blew their chance to draft him now you think Atlanta is just going to give him away. I liked him but the Jazz don't need a starting PG. That is Exum's role. The problem with getting too much talent is you start getting guys who want to be the guy. Championship teams always have role/glue guys, your dream team seems more like an all-star team and it seems like it is unrealistic to think other teams are just going to allow the Jazz to move up without giving up some of our guys.
I think our starting lineup should be Exum, Hood, Hayward, Favors, Gobert. I think this is a championship starting line up in 2 to 3 years especially if Hood and Exum improve like I think they will.
The bench should be filled with our glue guys/lunch pail guys Booker, MIllsap, Ingles, then Burks, possible Tomic and draft pick. We do need more scoring off the bench which is what we should target in the draft or free agency.
I would attempt to trade Burke and possibly Burks (depends on who we draft and the Jazz need to see how Burks comes back and how he performs before they trade him. )+ plus a pick to get Snell. Yes it is overpaying but the Jazz will need to because I don't think Chicago is just going to give him away. I would also pursue either Butler or Middleton if the price was right and if we can't get Snell.
Unfortunately I don't think all three free agents I've mention will be attainable but a fan can dream.
Coach Ellis
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Curious as to why you think that we'd have to trade Exum.
Coach Ellis
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Having too much talent is not a bad thing. The Jazz are pretty much set for the next few years with Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Burks, Hood and Exum. Tomic should be on a 3 year contract if he comes over, and Millsap has 2 more seasons on his. Even if the Jazz keep Booker and Jingles past 2015, then they have room to upgrade at a couple of other spots.
They have a top 12 pick, plus two mid-to-late 2nd round picks in 2015. They will likely have a late 1st round pick when they make the playoffs next year and four 2nd round picks in 2016. They will have potentially three 1st round picks (depending on when the OKC pick is conveyed), and four 2nd round picks in 2017. That's potentially 15 draft picks over the next three seasons!!! And more if you factor in the three picks in 2018.
I'd rather see them overpay for a young player who is a good fit and has potential to break out - like Schroder or Snell - than to see them overspend on free agents to fill all their holes. They don't have max level space for an impact player, so they're limited in what they can do. When we talk about trading for a veteran, why does it necessarily have mean an old guy? Schroder is a Quin Snyder guy. Snyder was instrumental in his development to this point and I'm sure would love to add him to his roster. Schroder has potential and athletic ability, but he hasn't broken out and he might have more value in a trade than as a backup PG. That's why I'd target him AND overpay to get him. I'd prefer to deal some combination of Burke, the 2016, OKC and 2018 picks (as well as any number of 2nd round picks) because I think that the 2015 pick, and 2017 picks will have the most value. That's still 12 picks that can be utilized in some form to upgrade in two spots. . . Schroder and upgrading the 2015 lottery pick. I'd rather be aggressive and try to add pieces that will be major contributors in the playoffs - when things get tight and lineups shrink.
Atlanta values Schroder a lot. They think he is their future starter and can start now if Teague gets injured. Not sure why they would want Burke, he is not as good. The draft picks are nice but they are in a win now mode not draft pick mode. Maybe we could facilitate a three way trade to get them a solid veteran who helps them now but that seems unlikely. Seems more likely we could trade Trey to move up in the draft a few spots and target a different veteran PG in FA or we could trade a second rounder or two for.
I do think Trey will become a more consistent shooter, which offensively is all he needs. He is never going to be a good defender due to length and speed. Not quite sure giving up on him for pennies is the right choice yet. He often seems really worn out and fatigued for a series of games. He seems to shoot well then he comes up shooting short for a few games in a row. Usually his shots are on target but short which is a sign that his legs are worn out.
I do think Trey will become a more consistent shooter, which offensively is all he needs. He is never going to be a good defender due to length and speed. Not quite sure giving up on him for pennies is the right choice yet. He often seems really worn out and fatigued for a series of games. He seems to shoot well then he comes up shooting short for a few games in a row. Usually his shots are on target but short which is a sign that his legs are worn out.
green
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If I was Atlanta, that is who I'd ask for. You know Hayward, Favors and Gobert are pretty much untouchable, especially for Dennis. Dennis is your PG of the future. Who else would you trade for? Burke sucks. He doesn't fit your style at all. Burke is a early 2000's player...inefficient, lots of shots, no defense, etc.
Burks? You don't know what Burks is. Can he fit in your system? Who knows. BUT, you know Exum fits, because he is doing it so well in Utah.
Exum for Dennis is where that trade would begin and end. It begins there, because he is the only person Atlanta would consider trading Dennis for. It ends there, because Exum is ALREADY a much, much, MUCH more valuable player and DL would laugh at that trade.
TL/DR: We don't need Dennis Schroeder, and Atlanta wouldn't trade him to us.
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Why should he be tired? He's not playing big minutes and he doesn't play very hard on defense. And even if his shooting improves, he's supposed to be a point guard and should be facilitating more and shooting less.