What type of asset is Hayward?
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We could get a first round out of him. Not a super high first round, but likely better than the GSW pick.
green
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Can we really move him though? I'm not sure what the rules are with RFA. He is a lot less valuable as a RFA, because teams know they can just wait and grab him. Can you move him and the GSW pick for a lottery pick?
Or would we have to wait until FA begins?
The Thriller
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Why would anyone trade for him? If they really wanted him couldn't they just sign him?
green
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This is what I am wondering. Like I've mentioned 100x's in other threads, I don't see how Hayward "fits" with this team. One, Burks looks to be a better fit, and two, Hayward is probably going to end up VASTLY overpaid. The more I look at this team, and the more I see the direction Lindsay wants to go, the less I see Hayward staying. So, are we just going to lose him for nothing?
da ThRONe
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It would make sense for a team to trade for Hayward if they were high enough on him. The Jazz always can match any offer. That team would likely already agree in terms with Gordon about a deal.
da ThRONe
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If DL has no plans of keeping Hayward then he has made an error in judgment not trading Gordon away during the season.
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green
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This is my initial reaction as well, but I think I disagree. If you are Lindsay, and you are hoping Parker or Wiggins or Embiid pan out to be great, then Hayward fits very nicely next to them and you can get back to the playoffs next year.
The problem is, those guys haven't progressed as much as you would like them to. So, they aren't as good as you thought they would be.
That changes everything. If you get Wiggins or Parker, can you make the playoffs with Hayward? Probably not. So, if you are going to be a lottery team again next year anyways, is it worth overpaying for Hayward, when all he will do is get you the #9 pick instead of the #5 pick, and clog up your cap room?
I don't think it is. In hindsight, you trade Hayward at the deadline. BUT, I don't fault them for not trading Hayward either.
The biggest problem is now we probably lose Hayward for nothing or we overpay him and risk not being able to trade him later on as he ends up on all the "Most Overpaid Players" lists, and Simmons' "Overpaid Role Player" lists.
Moving pieces to fit under cap?
Game6Conley
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see Nic Batum's 50 million dollar offer-sheet from the Timberwolves
and Eric Gordon's 58 million dollar offer-sheet from the Suns
the jazz arent going to let him walk, you dont rebuild through the draft, clear the salary cap, and let your 23 year old leading scorer leave over a few million dollars...
after the Trailblazers matched the offer on Batum its said Minnesota offered 2 1st rounders and a veteran SF.
id bet DL is holding out for something like that. i also suspect Hayward gets moved at the draft, he has enough value to help us maneuver
Haywards intentions will be transparent come the Moratorium period, if he pulls the Eric Gordon money grab its bad, but its not like that $$ was going to somewhere better this offseason, plus he'd still trade-able at an inflated price
and Eric Gordon's 58 million dollar offer-sheet from the Suns
the jazz arent going to let him walk, you dont rebuild through the draft, clear the salary cap, and let your 23 year old leading scorer leave over a few million dollars...
after the Trailblazers matched the offer on Batum its said Minnesota offered 2 1st rounders and a veteran SF.
id bet DL is holding out for something like that. i also suspect Hayward gets moved at the draft, he has enough value to help us maneuver
Haywards intentions will be transparent come the Moratorium period, if he pulls the Eric Gordon money grab its bad, but its not like that $$ was going to somewhere better this offseason, plus he'd still trade-able at an inflated price
He's worth quite a bit. Hayward has serious SF skillzzzzzz, just like Julius Randle.
mellow
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Boston.
Hayward has played well there, Boston has many assets thanks to Brooklyn and there is the whole coach connection. And Danny Ainge has been telling anyone that will listen that he believes this is a weak draft class-- is he setting up his fans so that they don't riot when he trades Boston's pick?
da ThRONe
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My point is if Lindsey has no intentions of keeping Hayward he has put himself in a less favorable position letting Hayward get to RFA. Some teams that may have been willing to trade valuable assets for the rights to match any offer for Gordon now may think it just makes more sense to make a big offer and keep their other assets. They'll do something similar with Houston did with Asik and Lin or what Phoenix did with an player option with Eric Gordon to make it difficult for the Jazz to match.
The Thriller
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The time to have done that was a few months ago.
b_line
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He is a RESTRICTED free agent. Meaning any and all offers can be matched by the Jazz. So other teams can sign him to an offer sheet but the Jazz are likely to match and keep him.
green
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Boston is interesting. They currently have:
2014 - their own pick, Brooklyn's pick,
2015 - LAC pick (unprotected), their own pick
2016 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick
2017 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) or their own pick (Boston gets to choose)
2018 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick
plus a ton of second rounders.
They also have:
Rondo and Avery Bradley they could trade.
So, if they decided to build around the draft, but not with young players, as Ainge did before, could they turn those picks into Love and Hayward?
Let's say they move Rondo, Avery Bradley, Brooklyn's pick this year and a bunch of second rounders for Kevin Love.
Then they move 2015 LAC pick and 2018 Brooklyn's pick for Hayward.
Now, they look like this:
PG - Exum
SG - Hayward
SF - Green
PF - Love
C - Sullinger
Would that be something you'd consider?
How about Utah and Minnesota? They would probably have to move Green and/or Wallace somewhere along the way, but if they did that, they could afford a max guy. Would that be enough to get LeBron?
Exum
Hayward
LeBron/Carmello
Love
Sullinger
That's a pretty dang good team.
The Thriller
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Likely?
I wouldn't say that.
It depends greatly on where and who we draft and where and what he signs for.
I actually don't think the Jazz's front office is all obsessed with Hayward. DL wasn't the guy who drafted him. And let's face it, Hayward hasn't done himself any favors this year.
If a team offers him decent money then I say let him walk. Quite honestly, I don't think he figures into things much anymore. We need to either completely reconstruct our front line or he needs to freaking develop a consistent 3 point shot. Favors and Kanter can't work down low if our SF can't shoot consistently enough to keep defenses honest.
Or did we learn nothing from the Kirlenko/Brewer experiment?
The obsession with Hayward on this board is remarkable. Just because he looks like a Mormon doesn't mean he's a key piece. If anything, out of the c5, he is the most expendable. We can easily replace a soft athletic 3 who can't shoot with many other players. Or hell, just resign Marvin and start Alec at the 2 and start Enes & Favors at the 4 and 5.
That alone would be an upgrade over our current starting 5.