What type of asset is Hayward?

[b_line]

Boston is interesting. They currently have:

2014 - their own pick, Brooklyn's pick,
2015 - LAC pick (unprotected), their own pick
2016 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick
2017 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) or their own pick (Boston gets to choose)
2018 - Brooklyn's pick (unprotected) and their own pick

plus a ton of second rounders.

They also have:

Rondo and Avery Bradley they could trade.

So, if they decided to build around the draft, but not with young players, as Ainge did before, could they turn those picks into Love and Hayward?

Let's say they move Rondo, Avery Bradley, Brooklyn's pick this year and a bunch of second rounders for Kevin Love.

Then they move 2015 LAC pick and 2018 Brooklyn's pick for Hayward.

Now, they look like this:

PG - Exum
SG - Hayward
SF - Green
PF - Love
C - Sullinger

Would that be something you'd consider?

How about Utah and Minnesota? They would probably have to move Green and/or Wallace somewhere along the way, but if they did that, they could afford a max guy. Would that be enough to get LeBron?

Exum
Hayward
LeBron/Carmello
Love
Sullinger

That's a pretty dang good team.

That's why we love green, he loves to think huge. Ain't no way Bron is going to Boston with a young coach and a young team, even if they get Kevin Love and Hayward.

 

[b_line]

Likely?

I wouldn't say that.

It depends greatly on where and who we draft and where and what he signs for.

I actually don't think the Jazz's front office is all obsessed with Hayward. DL wasn't the guy who drafted him. And let's face it, Hayward hasn't done himself any favors this year.

If a team offers him decent money then I say let him walk. Quite honestly, I don't think he figures into things much anymore. We need to either completely reconstruct our front line or he needs to freaking develop a consistent 3 point shot. Favors and Kanter can't work down low if our SF can't shoot consistently enough to keep defenses honest.

Or did we learn nothing from the Kirlenko/Brewer experiment?

The obsession with Hayward on this board is remarkable. Just because he looks like a Mormon doesn't mean he's a key piece. If anything, out of the c5, he is the most expendable. We can easily replace a soft athletic 3 who can't shoot with many other players. Or hell, just resign Marvin and start Alec at the 2 and start Enes & Favors at the 4 and 5.

That alone would be an upgrade over our current starting 5.

So you think Hayward is our SF? Do you watch games? Also, if they let him walk, who are they going to replace him with? You don't spend four years on a player and just let them walk. If anything, they are going to do a sign and trade with whatever team offers him the max for a pretty good haul. There are really not many players in free agency this year, and not a lot of them are as good as Hayward, let alone as young.

 

[Doublea]

So will Jazz offer him a contract and then he's free to hear other deals from teams? Then he choses which one he likes and we can match?

 

[b_line]

So will Jazz offer him a contract and then he's free to hear other deals from teams? Then he choses which one he likes and we can match?

Jazz will sign the qualifying offer and then wait for someone to offer him a contract, setting the market, then they will match it. I think they will match anything he is offered.

 

[One Brow]

Why would anyone trade for him? If they really wanted him couldn't they just sign him?

Hayward is a Restricted Free Agent, so we have the right to match any contract, and probably would, unless we think Hayward is being overpaid. No one but us can just sign him.

We can move him in a sign-and-trade.

 

[green]

That's why we love green, he loves to think huge. Ain't no way Bron is going to Boston with a young coach and a young team, even if they get Kevin Love and Hayward.

Two points:

1- LeBron is on a very, very old team. If they win it all, I don't think he leaves. If they lose...

2 - The coach is an easy fix. Fire Stephens, bring in whoever LeBron wants.

 

[The Thriller]

So you think Hayward is our SF? Do you watch games? Also, if they let him walk, who are they going to replace him with? You don't spend four years on a player and just let them walk. If anything, they are going to do a sign and trade with whatever team offers him the max for a pretty good haul. There are really not many players in free agency this year, and not a lot of them are as good as Hayward, let alone as young.

First of all, the exact same was said in 04. I was on this board when folks admitted that AK47 wasn't that great but said that there just wasn't anybody as good/as young. That was a huge mistake.

Where did Wes Matthews come from? Where did Paul Millsap come from? Where did Paul George come from?

There are plenty of good SF/SGs to be had. We could draft in the mid first round and find a player better than Hayward. The boy from Michigan and the Young from UK for starters. I think Early could be in that discussion as well.

The point is, Hayward is extremely replaceable. SVG's comments were a great barometer for Hayward's value no matter what the Hayward homers on this board think. Of course, there will always be some retarded franchise out there willing to shell out too much money for his services. I just hope that franchise isn't us.

Finally, draft picks are gold. You can't just trade Hayward away for a 1st rounder. And, Hayward's game no longer fits this team. We have 2 low post bigs. We need to surround them with shooters. If we want to keep Hayward then we need to unload either Favors or kanter. That's the truth. Burks you keep, he is the 1 player on this team who can create, score, and get to the line. Sorry Hayward homers, your boy doesn't do that

Cry me a river, bash me, flame me, just as you did 10 years ago ago. I've seen more Bball that you've dreamed and know a thing or two about this sport.

 

[The Thriller]

Hayward is a Restricted Free Agent, so we have the right to match any contract, and probably would, unless we think Hayward is being overpaid. No one but us can just sign him.

We can move him in a sign-and-trade.

Yes. Thank you capt obvious for repeating exactly what we all know.

 

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Let's just assume for a minute that last offseason's reported extension of 4yrs/$40million was very close to actual market value for Hayward. How many people here actually think he's played well enough this year to move that figure up? I don't think he has. I think it's still about right.

But, some might say that the market behaves erratically. For example, maybe someone comes with an aggressive/inflated offer to steal Hayward away or cripple us with a large contract. That might happen, but it still leaves DL with S&T options.

I just don't think this is a very difficult situation to manage: Hayward is a good piece at around 10M; we are in the driver's seat due to RFA regulations; we have some depth at Hay's position; etc.

 

[The Thriller]

Let's just assume for a minute that last offseason's reported extension of 4yrs/$40million was very close to actual market value for Hayward. How many people here actually think he's played well enough this year to move that figure up? I don't think he has. I think it's still about right.

But, some might say that the market behaves erratically. For example, maybe someone comes with an aggressive/inflated offer to steal Hayward away or cripple us with a large contract. That might happen, but it still leaves DL with S&T options.

I just don't think this is a very difficult situation to manage: Hayward is a good piece at around 10M; we are in the driver's seat due to RFA regulations; we have some depth at Hay's position; etc.

Gross.

Use $40 million for a real player who actually helps you.

Use the GS pick on mich's Larry bird. Or Young. Or Early.

Let Hayward walk unless he's willing to become the 6th man. He just doesn't shoot well enough or create to warrant a new contract and starter role. Burks should have been given Hayward's minutes.

 

[da ThRONe]

Gross.

Use $40 million for a real player who actually helps you.

Use the GS pick on mich's Larry bird. Or Young. Or Early.

Let Hayward walk unless he's willing to become the 6th man. He just doesn't shoot well enough or create to warrant a new contract and starter role. Burks should have been given Hayward's minutes.

I'm more in line with this thinking. He's solid, but what he's likely to fetch is probably going to set a team that's not the Lakers or Celtics back too much.

Honestly if you got Aaron Gordon and Nik Stuakaus in the draft that could be a real good get. Nik adds an outstanding floor spacer for the post and PNR action. And Gordon is the perimeter lock down defender that can disrupt the opposing teams offense.

 

[Bodhi]

I agree with a lot of what Thriller is saying regarding Hayward. There. I said it.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I agree with a lot of what Thriller is saying regarding Hayward. There. I said it.

 

[green]

Yeah. I'm with Thriller as well. Hayward will be the piece that puts a contender over the top or take an up and coming team and kills the financially, ala AK.

 

[mellow]

I agree with a lot of what Thriller is saying regarding Hayward. There. I said it.

I did that once.


Regarding Hayward, I don't know what to make of him. This jazz team is a mess. A coach that is dead man walking, burks and Hayward play the same position, Favors and Enes play the same position both have limitations and flaws. Trey is overmatched every single night and I'm starting to believe that the spurs master plan was send little Cyphers as GMs and coaches into the NBA to promote tanking and rebuilding in hopes of gaining three more years for the spurs to contend.

 

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I agree with a lot of what Thriller is saying regarding Hayward. There. I said it.

wait a few weeks.

 

[One Brow]

Yes. Thank you capt obvious for repeating exactly what we all know.

Yet, you post as if you are completely ignorant of it.

 

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I did that once.


Regarding Hayward, I don't know what to make of him. This jazz team is a mess. A coach that is dead man walking, burks and Hayward play the same position, Favors and Enes play the same position both have limitations and flaws. Trey is overmatched every single night and I'm starting to believe that the spurs master plan was send little Cyphers as GMs and coaches into the NBA to promote tanking and rebuilding in hopes of gaining three more years for the spurs to contend.

dude, I really think there are minutes for both Hayward and Burks, even if they're on the floor together for the majority of their respective minutes.

 

[fishonjazz]

Let's just assume for a minute that last offseason's reported extension of 4yrs/$40million was very close to actual market value for Hayward. How many people here actually think he's played well enough this year to move that figure up? I don't think he has. I think it's still about right.

But, some might say that the market behaves erratically. For example, maybe someone comes with an aggressive/inflated offer to steal Hayward away or cripple us with a large contract. That might happen, but it still leaves DL with S&T options.

I just don't think this is a very difficult situation to manage: Hayward is a good piece at around 10M; we are in the driver's seat due to RFA regulations; we have some depth at Hay's position; etc.

I still feel the same about hayward now as i did at the start of this season.

8 million per would be a steal.
10 million per would be what he should get.
12 million would be overpaying but i wouldnt be too upset if they matched a 12 million. A little upset but not too much.

Anything over 12 million wouod be retarded to match

 

[fishonjazz]

dude, I really think there are minutes for both Hayward and Burks, even if they're on the floor together for the majority of their respective minutes.

I agree.
This jefferson starting EVERY ****ING GAME expiriment is a travesty