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mellow

mellow

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Since Jerry brought it up when he said:

the boos comprised a “natural reaction” for fans who “aren’t familiar with what we’re trying to accomplish. We’re trying to get the best player, and sometimes that’s not who everybody wanted.”


I've been a fan for 26 years and at no time has the jazz direction and identity been so unclear.

I gotta ask just what are the Jazz trying to accomplish?
 
The loss of Deron Williams... Getting a lottery pick next year.... Selling more tickets to clueless Mormons who want to see the great white hope(Gordon Hayward) play. Who knows? They sure aren't trying to win apparently..
 
Last night watching KOC and later hearing his comments and those of Jerry Sloan, it became abundantly clear that the Jazz have problems, big problems.

Jerry and KOC both were indignant that the fans might boo "thier guy". Jerry said fans don't understand what the jazz are trying to do--and he's right.

The Jazz have been sending mixed messages to their fans for 2-3 years now. Fans don't know what to expect anymore. I was at the ESA, I booed the pick, not because I don't like Hayword, I booed because I was tired of the Jazz.

Are the Jazz serious playoff Contenders, or Small market wanna-bes? The jazz talk like Showtime, 'We want to compete for a championship' 'Lets build a case for the Trophy' 'The Millers have commited to spend money to win'

Then they cant wait to ship off assets to save money. No players in return, no improvement.

Last year KOC was defending drafting a pg when they had Deron and a need for bigs--'We need a back-up and Maynor is going to be player' then just when he shows he can be a player--they trade him for nothing.

The Jazz get beat by LA two years in a row--'We need to get longer' 'We need to get tougher' so the jazz draft a 6'8" 200 lb small forward.

The Jazz sale Ronnie Brewer for 3 million dollars because there was a log jam at sg/sf and then draft a sf.

The Jazz had to give away players last year because of the luxary tax You'd think they are feeling it financially, then why draft a player that plays sf, the only position on the team the jazz are already two deep?

For weeks leading up to the draft the Jazz owned radionstation and web page are pushing all the bigs that are available. Then the jazz draft a sf and get booed. Why did that suprise them?

Jazz fans are confused, Jazz say one thing and do another. Please tell us just what you are trying to acclomplish.

The Jazz may have steady basketball operations, but thier PR is awful. Jazz need a PR makeover quick. They have lost thier credibility and reosrting to calling the fans ignorant is not going to help
 
Well said mellow. I agree with everything you said. I hope there is a bigger picture that I'm missing, i.e. a trade in the works for a solid big. Because it does seem like the Jazz have been sending fans mixed messages for some time now.
 
The only consistent direction I can discern from Kevin O'Connor is that "ah, we're trying to uh, you know, trying to get more healthy and one more year more ah, one year more older, one year, you know, more mature."

Can we get Pritchard yet?
 
Great post, mellow.
I've been arguing the same for a couple of years. And I was criticized by many last season for railing on KOC and Greg for those trades.

Greg is no different than his father. What he wants is a profitable business. Do just enough to insure the arena is full (or nearly full) each game. Change logos/color schemes every few years to bump up merchandise sales. And have a team reflective of the state's demographics.

I still have some hope: it depends on how the Jazz handle the Boozer and AK situations. We simply MUST get a starter back, either in a S&T for Carlos, or by trading AK's expiring. Of course, Utah could also dump AK's salary and re-sign Boozer. I'm hoping that doesn't happen. But it's a possibility given the relationship between Boozer and Sloan.
 
What are they tying to accomplish?

cha-ching.

They're a for-profit organization. As long as people like nate and honz continue to support the team they will continue making these kind of decisions.
 
Melo,

Add to it that they are pimping all the bball traits of Hayward as being the basis for selection which are essentially the same bball traits they have tried to push to de-emphasize with AK.
 
Well, I wish I had season tickets I could send back or decline to renew.
Only way I can protest is to refuse to buy the new Jazz merchandise. And probably not re-up for LP.
 
The Jazz traded Maynor for Millsap. That kind of trade was set in stone when they matched Portland so it was not for "nothing." And for a team in this market to spend what they did last year is impressive to me. Dumping Brewer, who we were not going to resign anyway, was a smart move. I agree we need more length. I don't like the pick last night. But lets not make things up that are ridiculous.
 
Magic Spray said:
The only consistent direction I can discern from Kevin O'Connor is that "ah, we're trying to uh, you know, trying to get more healthy and one more year more ah, one year more older, one year, you know, more mature."

Can we get Pritchard yet?
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The one thing I can say about Pritchard that might not be so great is that it's kind of hard to screw up draft picks when you are always drafting in the lottery and usually near the top. Now the rest of his past as GM, I'm not as familiar with, but I know he's made Restricted FA Offers (Millsap), and done some trades.

It seems that he was at least doing a lot more shuffling than KOC is. Sometimes that may not be your best business sense, and just because you're making trades doesn't mean that you're a better GM or making your team better than a team that doesn't trade at all, but I think it's worth taking the shot for the hope of winning, to give up some pieces once in a while and try to get a better guy.

KOC, never seems to make too big of risks. I think trading for Korver is about the biggest kind of trades he does. Where it's not really that much of a change, so if it blows up, no huge loss, and it just might cost us taking on some salary. We have pieces we could have made changes with. I just don't think Jerry or Kevin wanted to get rid of them.
 
There's virtually non-stop cryin around this here joint because we didn't beat the Lakers with two of our starters out. Neither did Boston, with Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Rondo, and a good bench. Nor did Lebron, Dwight, or anybody else beat them. What the hell do you expect?

SLC is a small market, one that can hardly afford bein $8-10 million into the luxury tax, but tried it anyway. What did they get for it? A bunch of fans screamin that they would never buy a ticket again, and were gunna switch their alligience to some front-runner, like LA. And even though you are now a Laker fan, you will complain even more when the team leaves town. Go figure, eh?
 
I actually don't live in Salt Lake City anymore so I would be okay if they moved out of town if it meant competent ownership and competent management. I would love an excuse to believe in the franchise again, no matter what city that happens in...






















ya know?
 
The Ghost of Blue Edwards said:
I actually don't live in Salt Lake City anymore so I would be okay if they moved out of town if it meant competent ownership and competent management. I would love an excuse to believe in the franchise again, no matter what city that happens in...

ya know?
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I agree, I'm a fan of the team, not the city. I could understand why people that actually live in Salt Lake though wouldn't want them to move. Since I don't live there though and never will, I could care less where the Jazz go, as long as it meant they got more competitive with the rest of the NBA.
 
TheMulletMutilator said:
The loss of Deron Williams... Getting a lottery pick next year.... Selling more tickets to clueless Mormons who want to see the great white hope(Gordon Hayward) play. Who knows? They sure aren't trying to win apparently..
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are you predigest? tired of people coming on here and saying the mormons this the white man. i dont post much here just read the posts because iam a jazz fan. so if your not change the way you say things. i probably will get yelled at for this post but i will take it.
 
Well, I guess you won't care if the Lakers leave LA either then, you'll still be big fans. Of course if they did move to SLC, you couldn't be fans anymore because then they could no longer support the largest payroll in the league. That's cool, though, there's always the Knicks or the Bulls.
 
Even though i'm an out of state Jazz fan, ive been to SLC many times and would be disappointed if they moved, esp with the number of Jazz fans I know that do live in SLC.
 
Anyone that thinks that the Jazz had any other agenda than trying to pick the best basketball player possible is a complete idiot. You don't have to like the pick, but to say they don't care about improving the team is absolutely absurd. Gordon Hayward doesn't sell tickets. Winning sells tickets. If I could I would bitch slap the majority of this board right now.
 
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