What would happen if all ice on Earth melted?

[LogGrad98]

https://coastalchallenges.com/2010/01/31/un-atlas-60-of-us-live-in-the-coastal-areas/

Looks like about 44% of the world population lives within 150 km of a coast. Not sure if that's close enough for the entire 44% to be immediately displaced if all the ice caps melted at once. Still a significant number.

 

[franklin]

It's happening right now? Where are the trillions of refugees from world wide coastal flooding?

In the EJ Wells' forum. That's why we deleted it. Problem solved.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Again. More talk as if it is a Hollywood movie. "who's that knocking on the door dear?" "is literally trillions of refugees from all of the ice in the entire world melting at once yesterday". "oh bother".

Develop some reading comprehension skills-- it'll do wonders for your ability to make a point w/o being laughed at.


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[Deleted member 848]

You mean the country that dumps more plastics into the ocean per capita? We need the oceans to rise just to negate the environmental crisis Denmark is creating. We're on the verge bros.

What are you talking about? The oceans are as pristine as they've ever been in Earth's history!!


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[LogGrad98]

Right-- because since environmental refugees are only in the order of thousands these days, therefore there is no way that this number will increase over time.


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Where is the proof it won't happen at exactly the same rate? Where are the statistics that point out exactly how many people have been permanently displaced by climate specifically and not just weather/natural disasters (storms, earthquakes, etc.)?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Where is the proof it won't happen at exactly the same rate? Where are the statistics that point out exactly how many people have been permanently displaced by climate specifically and not just weather/natural disasters (storms, earthquakes, etc.)?

Umm, it's out there, and it's relatively easy to obtain in fact.

You honestly just need to set aside 6 hours of your time, go to your local library, and read all of the publications that assert the reality of climate change, it's capacity to displace millions of families, and a look at case studies (one from a bunch of families in Islands kinda close to Papau New Guinea comes to mind) where refugees have fled to nearby islands due to rising sea levels.



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[franklin]

What are you talking about? The oceans are as pristine as they've ever been in Earth's history!!


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I'm extrapolating out based on two headed fish that eat plastics and poop out tsunami ice.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yaa!!! UR RITE!!!

I hope your government enjoys trying to accommodate the likely influx of millions of environmental refugees.

What?

Even if glaciers melt 100% uniformly, their heterogenous structure means that their weakened structure will collapse along fault lines, and cause massive water displacements. This isn't going to happen a long time from now-- this is happening right now.

How is the world going to accommodate 80 million evacuees? How is the world going to accommodate 600 million evacuees?

Again. More talk as if it is a Hollywood movie. "who's that knocking on the door dear?" "is literally trillions of refugees from all of the ice in the entire world melting at once yesterday". "oh bother".

Develop some reading comprehension skills-- it'll do wonders for your ability to make a point w/o being laughed at.


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Well I'm making a pretty clear point that it isn't happening the way you are saying it is, but you can see that you are bouncing all over the place. Is it happening now or not? Where are the millions of evacuees? Where is the proof that there will be any kind of escalation even remotely fast enough to cause such a cataclysm? Where are the reports of massive tsunamis from ice breaking off displacing all this water?

 

[franklin]

Anyways .. now that the sun is going spastic it's showing us just how bat **** crazy the omg nothing can change crowd is being.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I'm extrapolating out based on two headed fish that eat plastics and poop out tsunami ice.

Probably exists in a tailings pond somewhere


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[LogGrad98]

In for a rough ride? Those rising seas we've been fearing may not happen quite as fast as predictions would show. A 'Nature' study has found that many predictions are often out by sometimes double the original model would suggest

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...inds-widely-overestimated-global-warming.html

 

[Deleted member 848]

Well I'm making a pretty clear point that it isn't happening the way you are saying it is,

Right now? Gosh no. Environmental refugees are probably just becoming a thing over the past ten years or so-- at least, that's when we've decided to pay attention to it at least.

but you can see that you are bouncing all over the place. Is it happening now or not?

Right now it is happening on a small scale.

Where are the millions of evacuees? Where is the proof that there will be any kind of escalation even remotely fast enough to cause such a cataclysm?

There is tons of proof that sea levels will rise. There is tons of proof that there are hundreds of millions of people who will need to evacuate their homes once the levels rise as much as we think they will rise. Will it all happen in one mega-event? It's doubtful-- but the mechanisms are in place where rapid sea levels can rise (and worsen an already troublesome rise of progressive sea level rise). Also, I truly don't see why it is only problematic if all of this happens at once-- baffling, really.

Where are the reports of massive tsunamis from ice breaking off displacing all this water?

As more ice melts, the larger chunks will start breaking off. This is how glacier melting works.


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[Siro]

Isn't it strange how so many of the people who were in the "climate change doesn't exist" camp 10 years ago moved to the "climate change wouldn't be a big deal" camp?

 

[Deleted member 848]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...inds-widely-overestimated-global-warming.html

From the article:

‘Global surface temperature is still rising ... 2012 was in the top ten warmest years on record. The period 2001-2010 was the warmest on record since instrumental measurements began,’




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[Deleted member 848]

Isn't it strange how so many of the people who were in the "climate change doesn't exist" camp 10 years ago moved to the "climate change wouldn't be a big deal" camp?

Even a moron could see it coming, really.


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[LogGrad98]

https://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/06/climate-change

As a rule, climate scientists were previously very confident that the planet would be warmer than it is by now, and no one knows for sure why it isn't. This isn't a crisis for climate science. This is just the way science goes. But it is a crisis for climate-policy advocates who based their arguments on the authority of scientific consensus.

 

[LogGrad98]

From the article:

‘Global surface temperature is still rising ... 2012 was in the top ten warmest years on record. The period 2001-2010 was the warmest on record since instrumental measurements began,’




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The point is it refutes your attempt to claim there is an ever increasing rate of change. It is in fact happening slower than predicted. Maybe it will happen slowly enough that we can adapt and only will deal with refugees in small numbers like the examples you cited.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The point is it refutes your attempt to claim there is an ever increasing rate of change. It is in fact happening slower than predicted. Maybe it will happen slowly enough that we can adapt and only will deal with refugees in small numbers like the examples you cited.

Ever increasing rate of change? Can you find that point made by myself in this thread? Quit putting words into my mouth.

Climate change is a reality, and it is being amplified by human activity. There are many things we can do to slow down this change in climate-- in fact, we need to do so, to ATTEMPT to prevent one environmental disaster after another.


Unfortunately you fail to understand that climate studies done in the 70s lack the sophistication of current ones. You also fail to understand that our estimates regarding the rise of sea levels are based on the most accurate current models, and many of the values commonly accepted are conservative estimations.


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[LogGrad98]

Right now? Gosh no. Environmental refugees are probably just becoming a thing over the past ten years or so-- at least, that's when we've decided to pay attention to it at least.



Right now it is happening on a small scale.


There is tons of proof that sea levels will rise. There is tons of proof that there are hundreds of millions of people who will need to evacuate their homes once the levels rise as much as we think they will rise. Will it all happen in one mega-event? It's doubtful-- but the mechanisms are in place where rapid sea levels can rise (and worsen an already troublesome rise of progressive sea level rise). Also, I truly don't see why it is only problematic if all of this happens at once-- baffling, really.




As more ice melts, the larger chunks will start breaking off. This is how glacier melting works.


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So it isn't really happening right now, you just said it was happening now. But instead it will soon happen. Ok.

And if something happens over a longer time frame humans have time for, and a very solid history of, adapting to the change. Given time we have adapted to live in just about every climate this planet had to offer. If this happens slower than predicted then the likelihood of adaptation increases.

 

[Deleted member 848]

So it isn't really happening right now, you just said it was happening now. But instead it will soon happen. Ok.

And if something happens over a longer time frame humans have time for, and a very solid history of, adapting to the change. Given time we have adapted to live in just about every climate this planet had to offer. If this happens slower than predicted then the likelihood of adaptation increases.

It is happening now. Learn how to read.


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