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What Year does the first Championship come to the Jazz?

SCS said:
You TRY to win championships. Period. An attitude of "only one 1 team wins and 29 fail, so let's just be okay being a decent team" is a loser mentality. Failing happens, but not trying is the real failure.
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GF is spot on here. If championships are all you care about, you should just quit being a fan right now. Success in the NBA is about being in a position to win a championship, but actually winning one takes a hell of a lot of luck and having the right pieces fall into place perfectly at the right time.

The warriors just set a league record for most wins and still didn't come away with a title. Would you call their season a failure and then trade away their key players to try and improve? That would be nutty.

IMO, building a team that can get past the first round is a successful season. Making the playoffs and getting swept in the first round could be considered success, if you're built on young and upcoming players. Making the playoffs with a low ceiling team like Utah did with big Al was a complete waste of time, and a HUGE mistake in the big picture. However, championships are not and should not be the measure of success.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
GF is spot on here. If championships are all you care about, you should just quit being a fan right now. Success in the NBA is about being in a position to win a championship, but actually winning one takes a hell of a lot of luck and having the right pieces fall into place perfectly at the right time.

The warriors just set a league record for most wins and still didn't come away with a title. Would you call their season a failure and then trade away their key players to try and improve? That would be nutty.

IMO, building a team that can get past the first round is a successful season. Making the playoffs and getting swept in the first round could be considered success, if you're built on young and upcoming players. Making the playoffs with a low ceiling team like Utah did with big Al was a complete waste of time, and a HUGE mistake in the big picture. However, championships are not and should not be the measure of success.
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Did you really just compare the reigning champs to mediocrity trying? Heh
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
GF is spot on here. If championships are all you care about, you should just quit being a fan right now. Success in the NBA is about being in a position to win a championship, but actually winning one takes a hell of a lot of luck and having the right pieces fall into place perfectly at the right time.

The warriors just set a league record for most wins and still didn't come away with a title. Would you call their season a failure and then trade away their key players to try and improve? That would be nutty.

IMO, building a team that can get past the first round is a successful season. Making the playoffs and getting swept in the first round could be considered success, if you're built on young and upcoming players. Making the playoffs with a low ceiling team like Utah did with big Al was a complete waste of time, and a HUGE mistake in the big picture. However, championships are not and should not be the measure of success.
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My only point was that you try to win. If you fail it is what it is. At least you tried. The real failure is accepting defeat without trying. Which is why I responded to the comment "Honestly might be never... And that's ok". The way I read that comment was that it's okay to fail. But GF cleared that up so it's all good I see his pov and agree with it. I think we all want the Jazz to win championships or we wouldn't be here.
 
It already did. Utah Stars won an ABA title. And the ABA was not just a 2nd rate league; it had legit stars.

For the Jazz, likely never. Utah couldn't win with 2 of the greatest all-timers. This bunch doesn't even have an all-star. Guess our hopes lie on Dante and Lyles becoming studs.

But face it, Jazz are never going to have a Lebron, Durant or even LMA or Pau sign as a FA, so the odds of ever being a championship team are very low.
 
I like 2020, but I don't think it's with this core, shockingly. I think similar to the warriors, we keep our key guys (Steph, Klay) like Rudy, Hayward, and Hood, and move the other guys who are perceived as really good (Ellis, Lee) for pieces that get us over the top (Iggy, Bogut, Livingston)
 
Our best chance for a superstar on this roster is Trey Lyles. He could be an incredible offensive force. If he could become an above average defender, he could be a 10 time All Star. His offensive skill set is what every team craves. A 4 who can shoot the 3 off the dribble, pass, and drive is amazing. If we nurture his talent and compliment him well, we could win a title between 2018-2022.

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LoPo said:
Our best chance for a superstar on this roster is Trey Lyles. He could be an incredible offensive force. If he could become an above average defender, he could be a 10 time All Star. His offensive skill set is what every team craves. A 4 who can shoot the 3 off the dribble, pass, and drive is amazing. If we nurture his talent and compliment him well, we could win a title between 2018-2022.

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I'd say you complimented him plenty in this post.
 
Gameface said:
So 2/3 of the league is pointless?

How many teams in all have won?
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Golden State/Philadelphia Warriors
San Antonio Spurs
Miami Heat
Dallas Mavericks
LA/Minneapolis Lakers
Boston Celtics
Detroit Pistons
Chicago Bulls
Houston Rockets
Philadelphia 76ers/Syracuse Nationals
Seattle Supersonics
Washington/Baltimore Bullets
Portland Trailblazers
New York Knicks
Milwaukee Bucks
St. Louis Hawks (now Atlanta)
Rochester Royals (now the Kings)


Essentially, 17 franchises have won a title. We're not one of 'em unless we're counting the ABA.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Golden State/Philadelphia Warriors
San Antonio Spurs
Miami Heat
Dallas Mavericks
LA/Minneapolis Lakers
Boston Celtics
Detroit Pistons
Chicago Bulls
Houston Rockets
Philadelphia 76ers/Syracuse Nationals
Seattle Supersonics
Washington/Baltimore Bullets
Portland Trailblazers
New York Knicks
Milwaukee Bucks
St. Louis Hawks (now Atlanta)
Rochester Royals (now the Kings)


Essentially, 17 franchises have won a title. We're not one of 'em unless we're counting the ABA.
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That's more than I thought it was.
 
2-3 years. Once Hayward is dealt in a sign/trade and Rodney Hood is unleashed and takes the team over we will be perennial contenders.
 
Stifle Tower said:
It already did. Utah Stars won an ABA title. And the ABA was not just a 2nd rate league; it had legit stars.

For the Jazz, likely never. Utah couldn't win with 2 of the greatest all-timers. This bunch doesn't even have an all-star. Guess our hopes lie on Dante and Lyles becoming studs.

But face it, Jazz are never going to have a Lebron, Durant or even LMA or Pau sign as a FA, so the odds of ever being a championship team are very low.
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the thread title says Jazz. Sorry to vigorously poop on your post.
 
I think that the first key to building a cotender is GREAT management and GREAT coaching. Go back and look at championship trams that didn't have the best players in the league. They all had great coaches and great management. They put themselves in the position to have that bit of luck.

I am of the opinion that the jazz have a top 5 management coach combo today. So, that gives me way more hope than our current collection of players. Don't get me wrong, we have talent. But our core is hard working, smarter talent at the top. That earned the spurs a half dozen championships when combined with one top pick.
 
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