Whatever happened to the "Jazz System?"

[carolinajazz]

I know the game has changed. I know the 3 pointer has taken over the game. I know you can palm the ball with impunity. But I have no idea what basketball "product" the Jazz put on the court yesterday! It seems like EVERY TEAMS objective is to beat there man by driving to the basket and either dunking the ball, laying the ball up or dishing off to an open player for a wide open shot no matter how far they are from the basket! The ONLY exception to this is the Warriors, who also do a lot of it, but also seem to have a "system" that regularly gets team mates wide open for easy shots and layups! It's got to be the fact that just about every player in the league can palm the ball and thus can fly by the opponent for what looks like a sure 2 points! I suppose the team that can some how, some way, slow up the palming offensive attack will win the game? Can anyone out there explain it better than I have?

 

[Ron Mexico]

We have a system that isn't just iso.

We lost because they are a much more talented team that was also healthy and not missing 2 starters this game.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah but we did resort to iso ball too much. We really didn't run our system of movement, with multiple passes. We settled too much for the drive and miss or drive and throw it to the other team. We didn't rotate well on offense, didn't hit our spots, didn't set it up very well. You know you are not really running your offense very well when the ball rotates late in the shot clock to O'Neal or Crowder. Those rotations need to end at Mitchell or inside with one of the bigs. It was really ugly. I think if we had made more effort to stay within the system we would have been more successful, but it looked like we were trying to play Houston's game and that is a recipe for disaster.

 

[aussietin]

We aren't good against switch heavy offenses, because we don't have personnel (ONeale/Crowder/Ingles in particular come to mind) that are elite at beating Capela off the dribble. Nor do we have post players to punish smaller guys on them. There's only so much motion you can do when they switch everything, eventually we have to attack mismatches, and we don't do well at that.

Of course, you can probably count on one hand the teams that have the speed and positional versatility to switch that much and get away with it (Rockets, Warriors, Celtics, Raptors? Anybody else come to mind? Maybe Sixers)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They have enough guys to switch and drop the big so the ball movement stuff ain’t working as well.

Honestly just not enough playmakers or shooters... we needed more before the injuries to Exum and Rubio and are down to Neto.

Guys like Ariza, Tucker, and Mbah a Moute are just fantastic on the perimeter and Capela has been awesome. CP has always been a good defender. Harden is really the only hole they have... Gordon is meh but not a guy you target.

They are just really good. Even so, yesterday we had a shot... missed several easy layups and open jumpers... we have to have a better than average day to win... our margin for error is small.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Unfortunately, teams can prep for Quin's system as currently set-up. How many turnovers resulted from the Rockets anticipating and playing our passing lanes. When the majority of what you are doing is keeping players on the wings, it makes it easier for defenders to anticipate and react. Letting 3 players sit on the wings gives most of the defense time to relax on D. But it is more than that. When they run their sets, the ballhandler needs to set up his defender so the screen coming from Gobert, et. al is effective. We have too many that get slipped (yet we don't seem to slip many on the other end. When screens do get slipped, we need to do what Houston does, and immediately have the screener flip sides and screen the other direction. The Jazz don't do that either. A lot of it is inexperience. The offense has gotten a bit better as a few more wrinkles have been thrown in, but it still has a long way to go. Our run this year started when Rubio started free flowing outside the offense. Not having him this series has been a huge blow. Even though the Jazz "advantage" offense is built around lots of passing, it has a huge need for a creating PG, contrary to what others seem to think.

While Mitchell has exceeded all expectations, this series has also shown that Mitchell is not ready to run the point, he needs to improve his decision making and he needs to hone his outside shooting. Rubio would have made a big difference in this series.
I'm all for running an efficient, analytic based offense, but when that becomes to predictable, or does not always work with current personnel, you need to have other options. I still think a modified version of UCLA would work great.

 

[sonofthebigdog]

We can run the system as much as you want but when one of your regular players goes 1-11 from the field, it kind of handicaps the team.

 

[fairweather]

Rubio helps our offense almost as much as Gobert helps our defense. Can't dismiss Ricky's contribution on defense, either, because he's constantly moving and bugging the crap out of the other team. I was hoping Exum would be of similar caliber and he looked great when he was in game 4, but his consistency is just not there, yet. And now, Dante's also out.

I'd be surprised if Ricky plays in game 5. Jazz look ready to start prepping for next season.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

I'd be surprised if Ricky plays in game 5. Jazz look ready to start prepping for next season.

I'd be surprised if he didn't. He was close enough yesterday to be considered (unless it was smokescreen). Guy wants to give it his all. And what might happen if he comes back and we happen to steal another game? Could be epic. If it isn't a big danger to his health, he'll want to experience the second round for himself.

 

[fairweather]

I'd be surprised if he didn't. He was close enough yesterday to be considered (unless it was smokescreen). Guy wants to give it his all. And what might happen if he comes back and we happen to steal another game? Could be epic. If it isn't a big danger to his health, he'll want to experience the second round for himself.

I hope you're right. It's the only way I see the Jazz having a chance to steal another game.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

Whatever happened to predictability? The milkman, the paperboy, evening TV?

 

[fairweather]

We can run the system as much as you want but when one of your regular players goes 1-11 from the field, it kind of handicaps the team.

Running the system gets better shots and makes 1-11 less likely. The problem with Crowder is he sometimes plays out of the system and forces bad shots. He's decent when he gets open shots, not so much when off the dribble. That goes double for his drives. I cringe every time...