What's JazzFanz's stance on Marriage Equality?

[Stoked]

No, I do not oppose the glorification of heterosexual marriage. No, I do not believe that haterosexual marriage brings confusion in the minds of children.
As I have stated before, I believe that heterosexual relationships are the intended natural order of my Maker.



Is it? Maybe. I don't see it that way, but you may be right. Sometimes one's passionate belief system can blind them to such things.

Perhaps the same could be said of your stance that my beliefs are bigotry (a liberal-minded person telling a conservative minded how they should think).

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

[PearlWatson]

I've posted more than enough situations in which gay marriage would benefit gay couples more than gay civil unions.

Please read ALL of my posts and then make rebuttals.

I've covered literally every legitimate aspect against gay marriage. Turns out, y'all don't got a leg to stand on.

You make a good case.
I especially like the one where you say you need marriage so you can get divorced.

 

[DutchJazzer]

No.

People are going to be who they are, no matter what. Men are typically going to be more masucline, and women are typically going to be more feminine. Gay marriage is illegal in most states-- doesn't stop homosexuals from existing. Legalizing homosexuality won't cause more homosexuals.

The US already went through Women's rights only a couple decades ago. Turns out, there's still tons of housewives out there. They didn't all turn into lesbians.

fair enough

 

[DutchJazzer]

I feel like you guys think I'm some fruity *** limp wristed gay dude.

Guys, I'm just like you. I swear. I like steak, sports, video games, and typical guy things. The fact that I'm gay doesn't mean I'm going to turn your kids gay. The fact that I want to get married one day doesn't make your marriage any less valid.

so your a bear gay?

ok just kidding. .

i got some gay friends. 5 years ago i would have seen all gays as fruit looops.
but now i know you got some masculine gaydudes and some fruityloopie gyas.
never met you before. so id ont picture you a specific way.

 

[PearlWatson]

so your a bear gay?

ok just kidding. .

i got some gay friends. 5 years ago i would have seen all gays as fruit looops.
but now i know you got some masculine gaydudes and some fruityloopie gyas.
never met you before. so id ont picture you a specific way.

Do two masculine homosexuals ever get together? Or do they always pair up with a feminine homosexual?

 

[Xsy]

Xsy, I think I already know your answer, but how would you feel if a gay couple could possess every right/privilege as a married couple, but it wasn't called a marriage? Say they made it so that civil unions mirrored a traditional marriage.

I would support that-- but what's the point of having two identical things with separate names? There's no point in being THAT picky about a word. A WORD. God did not create the word 'marriage'-- people did.

I'm assuming you're LDS. What's your stance on atheist marriage? They're getting married as a love commitment-- not as a sacred institution gifted to them through God. Just like a gay marriage would be. Why make a big deal over gay marriage and atheist marriage?

 

[Xsy]

I've tried responding to this 3 or 4 times, but every time I do, I read what I wrote and it comes across as insensitive/misogynistic. I realized that it's really hard to get my point across with the right tone in print.

lmao, because you're slowly realizing that gender roles are a joke.

 

[Xsy]

Are girl scouts insulted by being being associated with girls scouts and not boy scouts?

No, because they're all scouts.

Civil Union =/= Marriage

Gay Marriage or Hetero Marriage, it's still marriage.




PS: Sorry about posting all these posts in a row-- this thread is already a big enough cluster**** that it doesn't matter, right? XD

 

[Stoked]

lmao, because you're slowly realizing that gender roles are a joke.

I disagree. To some people they are important and their views are no les simportant than your own.

I believe in gender roles if that particular person wants to be in that role. My mom and dad wanted that relationship where he was the bread winner and she took care of the kids and home. It is was important to them and therefore is still important.

Are traditional gender roles for everyone? Clearly they are not but that does not mean they are a joke or useless. I want my daughters to be whatever they want to be. Wether that is a welder, soldier, doctor, teacher, stay at home mom, gay rights activist, musician...as long as they contribute to society, are upstanding people and happy I am good.

 

[Xsy]

I disagree. To some people they are important and their views are no les simportant than your own.

I believe in gender roles if that particular person wants to be in that role. My mom and dad wanted that relationship where he was the bread winner and she took care of the kids and home. It is was important to them and therefore is still important.

Are traditional gender roles for everyone? Clearly they are not but that does not mean they are a joke or useless. I want my daughters to be whatever they want to be. Wether that is a welder, soldier, doctor, teacher, stay at home mom, gay rights activist, musician...as long as they contribute to society, are upstanding people and happy I am good.

"To some people".

What about the other people? They need to follow YOUR beliefs? Right now I'm forced to live by a religious belief (that men shall not be wed) that is not my own. And it affects my life. Two dudes getting married doesn't force you to live by anyone else's beliefs. You live by your beliefs by not getting gay married. But to say other people can't get married because of something YOU believe in? That's just selfish, small minded, and bigoted.

Anyone should be allowed to do anything that doesn't bring immediate harm to others, and this is far from harmful.

 

[Xsy]

I don't know why I added 'immediate' in that post.

It's not good to slowly hurt people, either.

 

[Stoked]

"To some people".

What about the other people? They need to follow YOUR beliefs? Right now I'm forced to live by a religious belief (that men shall not be wed) that is not my own. And it affects my life. Two dudes getting married doesn't force you to live by anyone else's beliefs. You live by your beliefs by not getting gay married. But to say other people can't get married because of something YOU believe in? That's just selfish, small minded, and bigoted.

Anyone should be allowed to do anything that doesn't bring immediate harm to others, and this is far from harmful.

XSY slow your roll man. I support gay marriage. I have no problem with that so slow down the bigot train, k?

But you saying gender roles are stupid, which are important to some people, is as pointless and detrimental than someone saying being gay is stupid. By attacking others beliefs you are not doing yourself or the gay marriage cause any favors. More flies with honey my friend.

I have clearly had a stance of to each their own. As you admonished one poster in this thread, go back and read all my posts in this thread before you get all self righteous on me ok? You are attacking your own team here.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Do two masculine homosexuals ever get together? Or do they always pair up with a feminine homosexual?

i'm not the resident gay expert

 

[Xsy]

XSY slow your roll man. I support gay marriage. I have no problem with that so slow down the bigot train, k?

But you saying gender roles are stupid, which are important to some people, is as pointless and detrimental than someone saying being gay is stupid. By attacking others beliefs you are not doing yourself or the gay marriage cause any favors. More flies with honey my friend.

I have clearly had a stance of to each their own. As you admonished one poster go back and read all my posts in this thread before you get all elf righteous on me ok? You are attacking your own team here.

Okay, okay, I get you and PKM mixed up for some reason, so I mixed up your stances too-- I guess its the fact that you both have blue/white avatars. Idk, I'm retarded and this topic is just a landmine full of topics that make me want to explode.

Alright, let me re-reply.

I disagree. To some people they are important and their views are no les simportant than your own.

I believe in gender roles if that particular person wants to be in that role. My mom and dad wanted that relationship where he was the bread winner and she took care of the kids and home. It is was important to them and therefore is still important.

Are traditional gender roles for everyone? Clearly they are not but that does not mean they are a joke or useless. I want my daughters to be whatever they want to be. Wether that is a welder, soldier, doctor, teacher, stay at home mom, gay rights activist, musician...as long as they contribute to society, are upstanding people and happy I am good.

Alright, you're confusing me-- I said gender roles are a joke, and you said "No they aren't, any gender can be what they wanna be".

That means you don't believe in gender roles. Of course some girls are going to fall into streotypical female gender roles, but that doesn't mean they succumbed to that lifestyle because that's what girls are "supposed" to do. The fact that you're okay with them being whatever they want means you don't ... really believe in gender roles. You believe in people being whoever they want to be.

 

[PearlWatson]

LDS church LITERALLY supports polygamous marriage less than 200 years ago.

LDS members claim the sanctity of marriage hasn't been changed for 'thousands' of years.





I know, they don't support polygamous marriage anymore-- but to say the sanctity of marriage has been the same through world history is ********. Back in Biblical days, a wife could be obtained for a sheep and three oxen.

Did you realize that the government sent an army to Utah to stop polygamist marriage and the Mormons had to change their religion because of it?
I've never specified human history. I specified American legal history. People don't want to change the legal definition of marriage simply because you think a marriage certificate will magically bring you respect and social status. I think if homosexual marriage goes through against the majorities wishes you may even lose more respect. The way to earn respect from most people is through character not legal status.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I would support that-- but what's the point of having two identical things with separate names? There's no point in being THAT picky about a word. A WORD. God did not create the word 'marriage'-- people did.

I'm assuming you're LDS. What's your stance on atheist marriage? They're getting married as a love commitment-- not as a sacred institution gifted to them through God. Just like a gay marriage would be. Why make a big deal over gay marriage and atheist marriage?

as the word marriage is important.
they say no sex before marriage right. so sex before marriage is a sin.
by calling gay unions marriage, the people who see gay sex as sin, will then asume if sex before marriage is a sin. sex after marriage aint a sin.

thus by calling it marriage in the eyes of religious people gay sex after marriage aint a sin anymore

 

[Stoked]

Okay, okay, I get you and PKM mixed up for some reason, so I mixed up your stances too-- I guess its the fact that you both have blue/white avatars. Idk, I'm retarded and this topic is just a landmine full of topics that make me want to explode.

Alright, let me re-reply.




Alright, you're confusing me-- I said gender roles are a joke, and you said "No they aren't, any gender can be what they wanna be".

That means you don't believe in gender roles. Of course some girls are going to fall into streotypical female gender roles, but that doesn't mean they succumbed to that lifestyle because that's what girls are "supposed" to do. The fact that you're okay with them being whatever they want means you don't ... really believe in gender roles. You believe in people being whoever they want to be.

I do not believe they are a joke. I just believe they are not for everyone. For some people they are important and fit that persons moral code, personality and lifestyle. I applaud them and have no problem with them living that way.

Basically you do not believe in it and are therefore calling it a joke. To some people gay pride is a joke. Those people are just as wrong as you are in in this stance. Almost nothing is all encompassing. That does not make something less because of that. Gay pride, gender roles, christian morals, athism...they are all important.

 

[Xsy]

as the word marriage is important.
they say no sex before marriage right. so sex before marriage is a sin.
by calling gay unions marriage, the people who see gay sex as sin, will then asume if sex before marriage is a sin. sex after marriage aint a sin.

thus by calling it marriage in the eyes of religious people gay sex after marriage aint a sin anymore

A lot of people don't believe sex before marriage is a sin.

And guess what? Sex before marriage isn't illegal, and gay marriage is. What's up with that! Why aren't people voting to make sex before marriage illegal?

 

[margodydek]

lmao, because you're slowly realizing that gender roles are a joke.

No. I'm actually realizing the exact opposite - that gender roles are very important.

 

[PearlWatson]

And when you say men and women should have different roles, would one of the roles in question be who is in charge?

I think he is talking about parental gender roles. Mothers are usually the nurturer because they have breasts and certain type of hormones, while the father is the provider and helps their children be strong and such as. Both roles are equally important for children.