What's the Status on Burks?

[NAOS]

The Jazz returned Gobert after an injury.

The Jazz returned Favors after a weird back thing.

But the Jazz are holding out Burks for no reason at all because they are being too cautious.

Or maybe there is actual medical information gathered by medical professionals that tell them Burks isn't ready to play yet? Crazy contrarian thought process on my part, I know. Forgive me that I'm not wearing my Jazzfanz tinfoil hat.

you don't get it.

You can keep acting like this shows NOTHING about the management of the team, but it does. Exactly what it reveals can be debated, but it is revealing. Nice neg lol.

CY GON PUT THE CY IN CRY

 

[fishonjazz]

Or maybe there is actual medical information gathered by medical professionals that tell them Burks isn't ready to play yet?

That's fine. So tell us what that information is.

Look, the jazz are playing fantastic basketball right now. I think they are 8-2 in their last 10. I don't think that they would have any more wins during that stretch with Burks in the lineup.
I want to win my bet. I'm actually fine with Burks not playing because I would worry about his return changing the dynamic of the team right now. They have figured out a pretty good rotation and guys like booker, ingles, neto, and lyles are playing great.

But, I would just like to hear why he is out. Tell us something like Burks lost flexibility in his left hip while he was recovering from his surgery and now has pain in it so we are waiting for the hip pain to subside.

Or, his right hamstring hurts a little when he tries to explode to the hoop and so we are monitoring that pain and waiting for it to go away.

Or whatever. Just some actual info on why he is out instead of "everything went great with the surgery, he looks great, he feels great, there were no setbacks, but we are worried about injuries."

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I gotta go with Cy on this one.

Usually the guy who is just listening to the medical professionals and not coming up with conspiracy theories isn't labeled the contrarian.

 

[NAOS]

That's fine. So tell us what that information is.

Look, the jazz are playing fantastic basketball right now. I think they are 8-2 in their last 10. I don't think that they would have any more wins during that stretch with Burks in the lineup.
I want to win my bet. I'm actually fine with Burks not playing because I would worry about his return changing the dynamic of the team right now. They have figured out a pretty good rotation and guys like booker, ingles, neto, and lyles are playing great.

But, I would just like to hear why he is out. Tell us something like Burks lost flexibility in his left hip while he was recovering from his surgery and now has pain in it so we are waiting for the hip pain to subside.

Or, his right hamstring hurts a little when he tries to explode to the hoop and so we are monitoring that pain and waiting for it to go away.

Or whatever. Just some actual info on why he is out instead of "everything went great with the surgery, he looks great, he feels great, there were no setbacks, but we are worried about injuries."

CORRECT. One thing this reveals is a mismanagement of information and media.

 

[fishonjazz]

I gotta go with Cy on this one.

Usually the guy who is just listening to the medical professionals and not coming up with conspiracy theories isn't labeled the contrarian.

Again. Keep him out. That's fine, whatever.
Explain why doe.

What if rudy missed tonight's game and afterwards reporters asked the jazz why he missed the game and if he was injured or something and the response from the jazz was "no he isn't injured, he is fine. We are just worried that maybe he would have got injured if he had played."

Would we just be like, well the medical professionals were worried he might get hurt so we should just trust them. Or would we have a few questions we would like answered?

I know that isn't the same scenario but I think there should still be an actual answer and reason why Burks is being held out besides "we are worried he might get injured"


Also if we are just supposed to trust the doctors then shouldn't we have trusted them when they said he would be back around the all star break? Well looks like that was not the truth.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Isn't the injury being worse than they thought (taking longer to heal) an answer to that question?

The injury took longer to heal than they thought. So even though he seems fine, maybe they didn't have a clear idea of what they were dealing with and it couldn't hurt to hold him out a little longer just to be sure.

 

[fishonjazz]

Isn't the injury being worse than they thought (taking longer to heal) an answer to that question?

The injury took longer to heal than they thought. So even though he seems fine, maybe they didn't have a clear idea of what they were dealing with and it couldn't hurt to hold him out a little longer just to be sure.

They have already came out and said that the surgery went fine and he is fully healed from the injury.


We already know that he is healed from his injury. If we are to trust the medical experts anyway.
They are saying they are keeping him out because they are worried he might get hurt again in the future

 

[Bawse Dawg]

They have already came out and said that the surgery went fine and he is fully healed from the injury.


We already know that he is healed from his injury. If we are to trust the medical experts anyway.
They are saying they are keeping him out because they are worried he might get hurt again in the future

I feel like that happens all the time though.

"He's fine but we are going to take every precaution and hold him out another week."

Not unusual at all.

 

[Gameface]

I feel like that happens all the time though.

"He's fine but we are going to take every precaution and hold him out another week."

Not unusual at all.

Yeah, that's not unusual, but change another week to another two months and it starts getting a little unusual.

 

[fishonjazz]

I feel like that happens all the time though.

"He's fine but we are going to take every precaution and hold him out another week."

Not unusual at all.

I don't feel like that happens all the time though.

It's been almost 2 months of precautionary holding him out.

With no real explanation.

They should be able to say why specifically he isn't ready. What they are waiting for. What body part isn't 100%. Something. Anything.

This didn't happen with the Gobert injury. Or the favors one. Or any injury I can ever remember as far as holding a guy out for precautions for almost two months.

If it was a week like you said then no one would care and we wouldn't be having this conversation

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Wait are you saying there's something more wrong with him and he is incapable of playing and they are straight up lying?

Or are you saying that he's fine but they are holding him out because the Jazz are playing well? Because that certainly doesn't jive with 'he's been fine for two months'. We've had several stretches of suckage in that time.

 

[Siro]

I don't feel like that happens all the time though.

It's been almost 2 months of precautionary holding him out.

With no real explanation.

They should be able to say why specifically he isn't ready. What they are waiting for. What body part isn't 100%. Something. Anything.

This didn't happen with the Gobert injury. Or the favors one. Or any injury I can ever remember as far as holding a guy out for precautions for almost two months.

If it was a week like you said then no one would care and we wouldn't be having this conversation

The same happened with Favors' injury. He was listed as day to day for how long? A month? Remember the thread about whether Favors had died? Or the more ridiculous ones about how the Jazz are looking to trade him?

I am with Cy about withholding our opinion on a player's readiness. But this organization has been terrible at communicating these issues with the fans.

 

[fishonjazz]

The same happened with Favors' injury. He was listed as day to day for how long? A month? Remember the thread about whether Favors had died? Or the more ridiculous ones about how the Jazz are looking to trade him?

I am with Cy about withholding our opinion on a player's readiness. But this organization has been terrible at communicating these issues with the fans.

Great example. And there is the problem I have.
With favors they kept telling up his back was hurting and they were waiting for it to get better. Cool. I knew what was up with that.

What is wrong with Burks again? Oh ya. He might or might not get injured in the future so we are not playing him.

That one doesn't really work for me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wait are you saying there's something more wrong with him and he is incapable of playing and they are straight up lying?

Or are you saying that he's fine but they are holding him out because the Jazz are playing well? Because that certainly doesn't jive with 'he's been fine for two months'. We've had several stretches of suckage in that time.

Exactly.
I'm saying no one knows what the hell is going on.

I would like some info. That's what I am saying.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Exactly.
I'm saying no one knows what the hell is going on.

I would like some info. That's what I am saying.

Well then I'm confused about everything. Cy saying 'I don't really get it, but the best I can do is trust trust the doctors.'

Is Cying and contrarian?

What's your stance? "I want to know exactly what's happening"? Well, we all do.

What is this conversation even about?

 

[fishonjazz]

Well then I'm confused about everything. Cy saying 'I don't really get it, but the best I can do is trust trust the doctors.'

Is Cying and contrarian?

What's your stance? "I want to know exactly what's happening"? Well, we all do.

What is this conversation even about?

I thought the conversation was about not simply being cool with the jazz saying Burks surgery went great, he is doing great, he is practicing, he is healed, but he is being held out for months because he might get hurt again someday.

I thought cy and you were saying that you are cool with the jazz explanation of Burks absence.

I want more info. That's what im saying. What is happening right now with Burks (being held out for months but having no injury to explain why) is something that I don't ever recall seeing before.

I don't like it. That's all.

 

[b_line]

Great read guys.


Quick question: would you rather be mad at the organization on this, or mad at the player?

When the same thing happened with Boozer, he said some stupid stuff and everyone hated him. When this happens with Burks, the organization is the one taking the blame, not the player. I think it is better this way, as now we don't all hate Burks the player. Injuries just take a long time to heal sometimes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You people are so ****ing annoying. Honestly. I said he sat out for the injury to heal up enough for him to play. I didnt say it healed up completely in two games off. Actually I said essentially what you said "it may lessen... due to activity". Kindly go **** off.

god damn you are sensitive. I said the treatment is not consistent... If burks is healed and has been working on the rest of his body he is probably good enough to go... Just like Hayward is good enough to go.

With medical and all other types of consulting there are varying degrees of aggressiveness if we are holding him out for a slightly greater chance that he gets hurt then we are being overly cautious. I trust that the medical staff knows what they are doing but they also could be covering their own asses and prolonging the return. If it goes any longer you just punt and say no need to bring him back for one or two games. Maybe they are *******... Not a conspiracy theory but they might be in self preservation mode and no they can only be hurt or punished by pushing a guy back too soon.

 

[Gameface]

Great read guys.


Quick question: would you rather be mad at the organization on this, or mad at the player?

When the same thing happened with Boozer, he said some stupid stuff and everyone hated him. When this happens with Burks, the organization is the one taking the blame, not the player. I think it is better this way, as now we don't all hate Burks the player. Injuries just take a long time to heal sometimes.

Maybe the FO learned a lesson from that Boozer episode. Maybe less info is more and it's better to have fans angry at the faceless Jazz organization than at a player.

 

[fishonjazz]

Maybe the FO learned a lesson from that Boozer episode. Maybe less info is more and it's better to have fans angry at the faceless Jazz organization than at a player.

Maybe right here.