When will Jefferson have breakout season?

[Deleted member 848]

also, GVC, does synergy have a percentage calculated for players and their mid-range shooting? Because I don't recall Al clanking too many; given, he never shot too many of them, but from what I recall the ones he did shoot usually had decent form, and would go in. Its definitely not an active part of his offensive repertoire, but its something he could use more often

 

[Deleted member 848]

Who are you comparing his mid-range jump shot to? Because from what I have seen all season, his mid range jump shot has been above average to good all season.


What?

Didn't see this post when I posted mine, rep'd. I recall him shooting quite well AND with good form all season as well. Just didn't deploy it nearly as often as someone like Millsap. Hell, he probably made more than Kirilenko.

 

[GVC]

Didn't see this post when I posted mine, rep'd. I recall him shooting quite well AND with good form all season as well. Just didn't deploy it nearly as often as someone like Millsap. Hell, he probably made more than Kirilenko.

Per 82games.com, AK's eFG% on jump shots was .420, Jefferson's was .418. Neither of those numbers is particularly good, but AK plays the 3 and AJ is a post player, so...

 

[The Thriller]

I don't get why people say he's good at offense and bad at offense.

I'd say he's neither good or bad at both.

How many shotputs did he miss last year? His pick and pop offense sucks. Basically, he either has to receive the ball for a dunk, or get by with that spin baseline move. Otherwise, he's pretty worthless. I didn't see a very effective or dominating offensive player last year. If anything, Millsap was the offensive player.

At defense, I didn't think it was that bad. His pick and roll hedging was pathetic. But then again, all Jazz bigs seemed to suck at that.

He was often slow at rotating.

But his shot blocking and man to man defense seemed ok to me.

To me, Al just isn't that good. He's not Karl Malone. He's not a franchise big. He's just an average big man in this league. A guy that could score in bunches, but isn't a franchise scorer. A guy that could block a few shots, but probably isn't going to be a very good defensive player.

A mixed bag =average player.

Hence, why we all hope and pray that Kanter/Favors develop into that franchise big. Neither Millsap or Al are going to be more than role players.

 

[sepanol]

Who are you comparing his mid-range jump shot to? Because from what I have seen all season, his mid range jump shot has been above average to good all season.


What?

I am comparing to Boozer , not Nowitzki or Memo, from what i have seen he had a pretty bad mid range consistency, well if you look at the bottle from full side, yeah right he is good comparing to Ben Wallace

 

[sepanol]

Dont recall Big Al ever ****ing up from lots of pressure and making the wrong choice when the game was on the line last season. quite the contrary actually; his clutch percentages and totals have been posted numerous times in this forum

i just remember couple of games that he had good clutch shots and it was after we lost deron and already had no chance to enter playoffs, so he didnt really win the series in nba finals with his clutch shots. I dont say he is a bad clutch taker but he is not good neither. He can be an option but not the first option in a contender for sure

 

[sepanol]

i dont know why people are in love with Big al, if he was the best offensive guy in this league and some flaws on defense i would say, yeah go for it, and i wouldnt even like the Kanter pick in that case. But come on, it is pretty clear who he is, he is not a rookie or sophomore so we can hope him to improve himself by margin.

Amare, Nowitzki, Duncan, Gasol, Griffin, Randolph, Lamarcus, Bosh. These are the top power forwards in the league. Not Big Al. He is something slightly above standard, maybe little bit better than Boozer. And it is obvious he is not a franchise guy unless it is Minnesota franchise, which he couldnt even be the franchise guy there. They sent him right away as they found Kevin Love. I dont know why we should get stuck with him while he is a good trade asset right now. We wont even be able to get anything in return after 2 years.

Just trade him for a player like Granger and give the young guys like Kanter, Favors more time. We arent gonna win the damn championship if Big Al stays this year, it is better if we dont make playoffs and have a decent pick this year and let Kanter and Favors grow. I wonder how much they can make progress while waiting behind Big Al's 30 mins per game.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't get why people say he's good at offense and bad at offense.

I'd say he's neither good or bad at both.

How many shotputs did he miss last year? His pick and pop offense sucks. Basically, he either has to receive the ball for a dunk, or get by with that spin baseline move. Otherwise, he's pretty worthless. I didn't see a very effective or dominating offensive player last year. If anything, Millsap was the offensive player.

At defense, I didn't think it was that bad. His pick and roll hedging was pathetic. But then again, all Jazz bigs seemed to suck at that.

He was often slow at rotating.

But his shot blocking and man to man defense seemed ok to me.

To me, Al just isn't that good. He's not Karl Malone. He's not a franchise big. He's just an average big man in this league. A guy that could score in bunches, but isn't a franchise scorer. A guy that could block a few shots, but probably isn't going to be a very good defensive player.

A mixed bag =average player.

Hence, why we all hope and pray that Kanter/Favors develop into that franchise big. Neither Millsap or Al are going to be more than role players.

An average big? That's being a little harsh.

 

[Zerol]

i dont know why people are in love with Big al.

seriously i was going to ask the same question about Kanter, but i figured you might be Turkish. can you name me one thing you think Kanter can do better than Jefferson?

 

[GVC]

seriously i was going to ask the same question about Kanter, but i figured you might be Turkish. can you name me one thing you think Kanter can do better than Jefferson?

Run the floor and play to contact on the offensive end.

 

[Zerol]

Run the floor and play to contact on the offensive end.

I give you those, but are these enough to say that Kanter can replace Jefferson's production?

 

[GVC]

I give you those, but are these enough to say that Kanter can replace Jefferson's production?

Hard to say at this point.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't get why people say he's good at offense and bad at offense.

I'd say he's neither good or bad at both.

How many shotputs did he miss last year? His pick and pop offense sucks. Basically, he either has to receive the ball for a dunk, or get by with that spin baseline move. Otherwise, he's pretty worthless. I didn't see a very effective or dominating offensive player last year. If anything, Millsap was the offensive player.

At defense, I didn't think it was that bad. His pick and roll hedging was pathetic. But then again, all Jazz bigs seemed to suck at that.

He was often slow at rotating.

But his shot blocking and man to man defense seemed ok to me.

To me, Al just isn't that good. He's not Karl Malone. He's not a franchise big. He's just an average big man in this league. A guy that could score in bunches, but isn't a franchise scorer. A guy that could block a few shots, but probably isn't going to be a very good defensive player.

A mixed bag =average player.

Hence, why we all hope and pray that Kanter/Favors develop into that franchise big. Neither Millsap or Al are going to be more than role players.

wait;

What was the scoring average for an "average" NBA centre? Because I could bet your sweet *** and half a tittie it wasn't 19 PPG. not sure how 19/9/2 screams average really, lets not be unnecessarily harsh. If Millsap was better on offence how come he averaged less?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Hard to say at this point.

Only thing I can see Kanter being better at is running the floor, and a better mid range game. As far as rebounding goes, 2.5 years ago Al was averaging around 11-12 a game. I don't think Kanter will average too much more than that quite frankly, especially with Favors and Millsap on our team. Post moves? Al. Defense? Must wait until we see him play regularly; defense and assisting are mostly a guessing game as of this point.

 

[shadler]

I like where your head is at Big Dawg.

Thank you lol. Every now and then it can spin around.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I don't get why people say he's good at offense and bad at offense.

I'd say he's neither good or bad at both.

How many shotputs did he miss last year? His pick and pop offense sucks. Basically, he either has to receive the ball for a dunk, or get by with that spin baseline move. Otherwise, he's pretty worthless. I didn't see a very effective or dominating offensive player last year. If anything, Millsap was the offensive player.

At defense, I didn't think it was that bad. His pick and roll hedging was pathetic. But then again, all Jazz bigs seemed to suck at that.

He was often slow at rotating.

But his shot blocking and man to man defense seemed ok to me.

To me, Al just isn't that good. He's not Karl Malone. He's not a franchise big. He's just an average big man in this league. A guy that could score in bunches, but isn't a franchise scorer. A guy that could block a few shots, but probably isn't going to be a very good defensive player.

A mixed bag =average player.

Hence, why we all hope and pray that Kanter/Favors develop into that franchise big. Neither Millsap or Al are going to be more than role players.

I don't really like giving rep to The Thriller, but his Big Al analysis is spot on.

 

[The Thriller]

wait;

What was the scoring average for an "average" NBA centre? Because I could bet your sweet *** and half a tittie it wasn't 19 PPG. not sure how 19/9/2 screams average really, lets not be unnecessarily harsh. If Millsap was better on offence how come he averaged less?

Because numbers is the only thing we should ever consider. Never mind the effect actual game play. Lets just go off on numbers.

Had we done this, Tmac would have been MVP at least 3 times.

sigh...

Yes, considering all that Al gives us (both pros and cons), I'd consider him average.

 

[sepanol]

seriously i was going to ask the same question about Kanter, but i figured you might be Turkish. can you name me one thing you think Kanter can do better than Jefferson?

Simple answer : defense

also you can look at many other things like he is 7-8 yrs younger who has a very good prospect in the league. I cant guarantee Kanter is gonna be one of the elite big man in the league but i can guarantee he will be better than AJ.

Also memo is turkish too but i am never so high on Memo. So you cant only explain with homerism. Maybe i can have more symphaty but thats it, im not gonna rate a player much more highly than he is no matter which ever nationality he has.

 

[sepanol]

seriously i was going to ask the same question about Kanter, but i figured you might be Turkish. can you name me one thing you think Kanter can do better than Jefferson?

Can you name a few things that Big Al is better than Boozer?

(I am one of the boozer haters and i consider him extremely overrated)

 

[sepanol]

wait;

What was the scoring average for an "average" NBA centre? Because I could bet your sweet *** and half a tittie it wasn't 19 PPG. not sure how 19/9/2 screams average really, lets not be unnecessarily harsh. If Millsap was better on offence how come he averaged less?

Because he scored more efficiently and with less field goal attempts. I think in general Big Al is a better offensive threat than Millsap but overall, also considering their salaries, i would prefer to have Millsap on my team 10 times more than Big Al.