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When will Ty Corbin grow the balls to bench Bell?

franklin said:
Keep your chin up and dream, kid. I think Corbin is set on miles between the Jazz and Miles after 64 more games.


On Raja, let's give Ty a training camp to teach Burks and Howard his system. I won't be surprised to see Howard start in 3-4 games and then Burks minutes pick up around the 12-15 game mark.
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Both Burks and Howard, with their limited experience on the Jazz (and in Alec's case, overall), are probably already more capable to start and run the "system" more than Raja is. And what's hurting the Jazz more than maybe not quite being in the right place on offense (not that the offense looks particularly good with Raja in there) is Bell being pwned on play after play defensively.
 
billyshelby said:
Bell isn't just an anemic offensive player, he's currently our worst wing defender. This is what kills me. He's living on a reputation that doesn't exist anymore. Benching him outright and dividing the minutes between Hayward/CJ/Howard/Burks is the fastest and easiest way to help the team. I'm guessing it takes Ty 20 games to see this, but I have real hope it will happen in 10.
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Bingo!!!!

Cyrone Torbin - what in the flying heck do you mean Bell doesn't make mistakes? If he isn't missing a shot, he's making a mistake.

Bell is a complete cancer to this team and the sooner he blows out his knees the better (because there is no way the Jazz FO will buy him out and cut him outright - but if they do, I would obviously no longer hope for a career ending injury to him)
 
chitownjazz said:
Bingo!!!!

Cyrone Torbin - what in the flying heck do you mean Bell doesn't make mistakes? If he isn't missing a shot, he's making a mistake.

Bell is a complete cancer to this team and the sooner he blows out his knees the better (because there is no way the Jazz FO will buy him out and cut him outright - but if they do, I would obviously no longer hope for a career ending injury to him)
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Can you point out a situation where Bell made a mistake? I don't mean just sucking , or missing a shot, but completely blowing an assignment or failing to operate his part in a play?
 
I'm super frustrated with the team right now, but I'm able to leave with the growing pains of everyone EXCEPT Bell. He should never get any playing time as far as I'm concerned.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Can you point out a situation where Bell made a mistake? I don't mean just sucking , or missing a shot, but completely blowing an assignment or failing to operate his part in a play?
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Last night there was a time when he was guarding Lawson. Nene had the ball on the right block as Lawson cut through the lane with Bell trailing. Bell turned his head and Nene hit Lawson for an easy layup. Hardly an example of the veteran smarts Bell is alleged to provide.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Can you point out a situation where Bell made a mistake? I don't mean just sucking , or missing a shot, but completely blowing an assignment or failing to operate his part in a play?
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He's turnover last night when he tried to put the ball on the floor and pull up for a jumper and just fumbled the ball away to the other team comes to mind first. If I went back and watched the first two games again, I'm sure I can give you a list of at least 10. You aren't seriously arguing that he provides anything positive to the team, are you? Not turning it over or not blowing an assignment defensively would'nt necessarily equate to that anyways.

He was pathetic last year and hurt the Jazz when he was on the floor far more than he helped, and a lot of apologists attributed that to him coming back from an injury. I'll tell you what, I read all the propaganda about him being 'healthy' during the preseason and he has shown no signs that he is any better than last season. He was signed to knock down an open shot, but primarily to defend. He's proven to be a poor shooter and even worse defender.
 
chitownjazz said:
He's turnover last night when he tried to put the ball on the floor and pull up for a jumper and just fumbled the ball away to the other team comes to mind first. If I went back and watched the first two games again, I'm sure I can give you a list of at least 10. You aren't seriously arguing that he provides anything positive to the team, are you? Not turning it over or not blowing an assignment defensively would'nt necessarily equate to that anyways.

He was pathetic last year and hurt the Jazz when he was on the floor far more than he helped, and a lot of apologists attributed that to him coming back from an injury. I'll tell you what, I read all the propaganda about him being 'healthy' during the preseason and he has shown no signs that he is any better than last season. He was signed to knock down an open shot, but primarily to defend. He's proven to be a poor shooter and even worse defender.
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I think he was being sarcastic but nonetheless Bell sucks. I see the Jazz trading Bell/Miles + Harris or Bell/Miles + Jefferson
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Can you point out a situation where Bell made a mistake? I don't mean just sucking , or missing a shot, but completely blowing an assignment or failing to operate his part in a play?
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Damn, why couldn't we get homework assigments like this when we were in school. Mistakes by Bell are plentiful in just about every game. I don't know how many times I've been watching a game where Bell has made a stupid mistake and thought "if <insert rookie or second year player's name> had done the same thing, Harpring would be commenting and Corbin would be thinking about how it was a 'rookie' mistake and the guy probably gets pulled".

Sorry, CT, that I didn't see this sooner, but I'll try to remember it's here and help you out a bit.
 
The biggest thing that drive me nuts about Bell is he doesn't run with the ball handler on the fast break. Instead of getting in position for a dunk or layup, he pulls up to the three point line. He looks scared to drive to the hoop. If it were Ronnie b, he would be throwing down dunks on allyoops from Hayward. That's why Burks or miles needs to start.

The only thing Bell has to offer is a jump shot which isn't falling. So basically he is completely useless.
 
BluesRocker said:
The biggest thing that drive me nuts about Bell is he doesn't run with the ball handler on the fast break. Instead of getting in position for a dunk or layup, he pulls up to the three point line. He looks scared to drive to the hoop. If it were Ronnie b, he would be throwing down dunks on allyoops from Hayward. That's why Burks or miles needs to start.

The only thing Bell has to offer is a jump shot which isn't falling. So basically he is completely useless.
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I'm also frustrated by his inability or unwillingness to drive to the hoop. I'm pretty sure it's an inability because he never really drove to the hoop when he was younger. He excelled as a spot up shooter with Phoenix, but that's not really available to him in the Jazz offense. And now he doesn't shoot unless he's wide open, and even when he does shoot he usually misses. I think his defense isn't as bad as everyone says (he had a nice strip on Kobe that led to a fast break), but he's certainly not the alert stopper that he used to be. I'd move G-Time to the 2, slot Howard at the 3, allowing him to play with his former Mavs teammate Harris, which should boost his comfort level, and then rotate Bell, Burks, and Miles at the 2/3, and slowly reduce Bell's minutes until they're at the 10 min to below mark. And then he'll be on the bench where he belongs, not playing and offering great advice to younger players. I think he'd make a great coach.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I think Raja sucks as much as the next person. I think he starts because he really doesn't make any clear mistakes (other than just sucking in general). Burks and Howard are new, but they may eventually take Bell's spot. I think Corbin is set on Miles being the bench scorer.
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"he really doesn't make any clear mistakes (other than just sucking in general). What an intelligent thing to say. I agree that they should bench Bell, just because we have young players that are hungry and ready to come off the bench. If Raja sees the bench it may cause him to have a little more fire when he checks into the game.
 
AKMVP said:
lol, no surprise here, Corbin likes Bell starting:mad:... so forget about any balls.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...a-not-scoring-but-helping-in-other-areas.html
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""But, ultimately, I don't think it really matters if I make or miss my three shots in a game."

Yes it does Raja. Notice how we have fallen behind big time in almost every game you have started over the last year plus? Maybe a SG needs to be to S or the team is constantly playing 4 on 5. And your D is way over-rated, not enough to make up for your woeful O, especially when you contribute nothing else on O: no assists, no drives and dishes, no 3 balls, no ball handling, nada, zip, nothing. Man up and retire please.
 
I think at this point of his career Raja is a practice player, not a gamer. (Aka, he plays well in practice, but when the lights come on, his lack of speed becomes evident, he rushes his shot and presto- he sucks (as opposed to Kanter who, when the lights come on becomes a beast ripping rebounds out of peoples hands and moving through the paint like nobody else is there.)) Raja should retire and become a coach. (but not for the Jazz)
 
Ooh, just read the article.

Ok Ty, I get that Raja does some good things, but if the team is more than 10 points down, you gotta get offence in there to make some shots.

Like many have said, Raja getting maybe 15 min is not bad as long as the talent plays, but Burks only getting 6 min a game? And they had a serious battle going between him and Raja, to the point where they talked about Burks starting?

I refuse to blame Corbin, call me a homer if you want. Burks....... Learn to play defense dambit! You gotta get on the floor!
 
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