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Where Does Hood End Up?

Where Does Hood End Up?

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Ron Mexico said:
Most years you can buy a late first. Early seconds are generally more valuable than late firsts

They do have value but late firsts are not terrible valuable. Generally those are the with little upside that can fill role players spots for cheap. Usually that's where the seniors get drafted. Hood should get you more than just that. It's worth not trading him to see what kind of contact he gets offered and risk losing him for a high offer than a late first.
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Selling 1sts is not that common at all. The first that became Rudy may have been the last one sold.

Early seconds were perceived as more valuable a few years ago for draft and stash purposes but that really isn’t the case anymore.

BKN had to eat 2 years and 30M on the Carroll contract to get a late first round pick and a second from Toronto.

Mid to late first round picks are still very valuable.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Would we be able to get Dragan Bender and a late 1st from Phoenix?
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They really want shooters. I think Hood for Bender is a possibility. They prefer Chriss long term and Dudley is simply much better right now.

I think he can and is a PF in this league. He is a capable defender that is learning. He misses assignments and messes up but he tries and makes good plays. On offense he is stiff and struggles with a lot of things but he shows a lot of upside and can shoot. He is still a project and Phoenix might not be willing to give up on him since he is so young but Hood might be what they are after. They want to win next year.
 
Bender is shootin around %35 inside the arc. Has 21 FTAs for the year. But he is 20.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Selling 1sts is not that common at all. The first that became Rudy may have been the last one sold.

Early seconds were perceived as more valuable a few years ago for draft and stash purposes but that really isn’t the case anymore.

BKN had to eat 2 years and 30M on the Carroll contract to get a late first round pick and a second from Toronto.

Mid to late first round picks are still very valuable.
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Stashing players is nice but thats not why 2nds are valuable. They are not guaranteed contracts like 1sts. Teams can do a lot more with the contracts. Look at what GS paid for a 2nd. Some years are deep like the last couple years and those picks are more valuable but long term they are not. I think almost every team would rather have the 1st 2nd round pick than the last 1st round pick.

I am not talking about mid round 1sts. I am talking about late 1st round picks. They are worth something, but not that much. They are a pretty meh asset most years.
 
Ron Mexico said:
They really want shooters. I think Hood for Bender is a possibility. They prefer Chriss long term and Dudley is simply much better right now.

I think he can and is a PF in this league. He is a capable defender that is learning. He misses assignments and messes up but he tries and makes good plays. On offense he is stiff and struggles with a lot of things but he shows a lot of upside and can shoot. He is still a project and Phoenix might not be willing to give up on him since he is so young but Hood might be what they are after. They want to win next year.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydaf5tgf

Jazz trade:
Hood
Rubio
Burks
A second round pick

Phoenix trades:
Bender
Dudley
Monroe
One of their first rounders this year
 
Hekate said:
Bender is shootin around %35 inside the arc. But he is 20.
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Yeah, but most of his shots are from 3. He averages 1.6 shots from 2 per game and more than double that per game from three at 3.7 attempts per game. He is shooting .378 from three.

He is still a huge project but I think he could pair very well with Gobert and Mitchell long term. He can be a good defender and rim protector as well as a good shooter that can space the court out.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Stashing players is nice but thats not why 2nds are valuable. They are not guaranteed contracts like 1sts. Teams can do a lot more with the contracts. Look at what GS paid for a 2nd. Some years are deep like the last couple years and those picks are more valuable but long term they are not. I think almost every team would rather have the 1st 2nd round pick than the last 1st round pick.

I am not talking about mid round 1sts. I am talking about late 1st round picks. They are worth something, but not that much. They are a pretty meh asset most years.
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I disagree again... the seconds are valuable because they don't have a cap hold, but if GS could have got the #30 pick for that cash they would have preferred that... they could only sign Bell to a 2 year deal because of cap restrictions.

Seconds in the 30s are what teams are willing to sell. I don't think teams are willing to sell picks in the 20s anymore.

There is an argument to be made that getting a pick in the 35 range for a discount provides more value than getting a pick in the 25 range at a premium.
 
infection said:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydaf5tgf

Jazz trade:
Hood
Rubio
Burks
A second round pick

Phoenix trades:
Bender
Dudley
Monroe
One of their first rounders this year
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I would do that in a heart beat. I am not sure Phoenix would. I dont think Phoenix wants to give up Dudley and Bender. They play and like Dudley. I doubt they want Burks and I am not sure they want Rubio even if their fans do. I would try and go Hood for Bender straight up with one of the 10 day guys salaries to make it work. Or I would probably even through in Bradley for him. But our team might still really like Bradley.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I disagree again... the seconds are valuable because they don't have a cap hold, but if GS could have got the #30 pick for that cash they would have preferred that... they could only sign Bell to a 2 year deal because of cap restrictions.

Seconds in the 30s are what teams are willing to sell. I don't think teams are willing to sell picks in the 20s anymore.

There is an argument to be made that getting a pick in the 35 range for a discount provides more value than getting a pick in the 25 range at a premium.
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History doesnt support that idea. Teams have bought 1st round picks for a long time and given them up easily. Maybe due to teams over spending recently that changed for a year or two but it will go back to normal.

2nd rounds you can do options on players and have so many more things you can do with their contract. Or if they suck you are not stuck with them for the full guaranteed contract.

Either way 2nd round picks and late 1st are not that valuable. They are used to fill out your roster. Teams are looking for much more, thats why most of the seniors go in this range.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
History doesnt support that idea. Teams have bought 1st round picks for a long time and given them up easily. Maybe due to teams over spending recently that changed for a year or two but it will go back to normal.

2nd rounds you can do options on players and have so many more things you can do with their contract. Or if they suck you are not stuck with them for the full guaranteed contract.
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Recent history (the most relevant history) says that teams don't sell first round picks anymore.

The last pick that was sold was Rudy... a second round pick went back too, but that is the last one that was primarily cash considerations. If teams were giving them up "easily" there would have been one sold in the last 4 years.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Recent history (the most relevant history) says that teams don't sell first round picks anymore.

The last pick that was sold was Rudy... a second round pick went back too, but that is the last one that was primarily cash considerations. If teams were giving them up "easily" there would have been one sold in the last 4 years.
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Yes, teams have overspent lately because of the change in the CBA. I dont believe it will stay that way, it is just temporary. Besides we have had some drafts that were perceived as deep lately. The last one that wasnt deep was the year Jazz bought a pick no problem. There will be plenty more of those drafts. I am not sure this year is a deep draft.

Either way even if they are not being sold again they are not that valuable. Its nothing to rebuild a team around. It is extremely rare for one of those picks to turn into anything worth while. It is very very unlikely a late 1st turns into a player of Hoods value, we got lucky on that pick. He far exceeded his draft position. We would be better off trying to keep him for a good deal than dumping him for a late 1st.

People keep thinking we will land great picks late. It is not likely to happen. Building a team based on that is a poor idea.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yes, teams have overspent lately because of the change in the CBA. I dont believe it will stay that way, it is just temporary. Besides we have had some drafts that were perceived as deep lately. The last one that wasnt deep was the year Jazz bought a pick no problem. There will be plenty more of those drafts. I am not sure this year is a deep draft.

Either way even if they are not being sold again they are not that valuable. Its nothing to rebuild a team around. It is extremely rare for one of those picks to turn into anything worth while. It is very very unlikely a late 1st turns into a player of Hoods value, we got lucky on that pick. He far exceeded his draft position. We would be better off trying to keep him for a good deal than dumping him for a late 1st.

People keep thinking we will land great picks late. It is not likely to happen. Building a team based on that is a poor idea.
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Selling firsts wasn't that prevalent before the Rudy pick either. Seconds are sold every year... Late first is more valuable than early second.

Picks in the 20s regularly become contributors. 2-5 become rotation players every year. Most years there is a home run pick in that range. Hood exceeded his draft position no doubt. That is not a reason to keep him. You trade him because the future value you can get for him plus his allocated salary exceeds his value to us now or in the future. A pick from 15-25 is fair value for him. I don't think he is a trade asset when he signs his new FA contract. I believe he gets 15-20 or more per year. I've seen some say 10-12 but I just don't see that.

When you get a rotation player on the cheap for 4 years it helps you allocate resources to other places. Hit a home run and it changes your franchise. Strike out and it isn't a huge deal (unless you strike out every year). A rotation player that is worse than Rodney but makes 12-15M less per year is much more valuable than Rodney.

Keeping Hood is a safer low upside route. Try and find the next Hood and try to get a bargain FA is the route I would choose.
 
And you aren't building around the late first rounder. You are hoping to get a building block but not banking on it. I don't think Hood is a building block personally.

You build around the lotto picks and hope to get lucky on the late ones. You add a free agent if you can in the meantime.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Selling firsts wasn't that prevalent before the Rudy pick either. Seconds are sold every year... Late first is more valuable than early second.

Picks in the 20s regularly become contributors. 2-5 become rotation players every year. Most years there is a home run pick in that range. Hood exceeded his draft position no doubt. That is not a reason to keep him. You trade him because the future value you can get for him plus his allocated salary exceeds his value to us now or in the future. A pick from 15-25 is fair value for him. I don't think he is a trade asset when he signs his new FA contract. I believe he gets 15-20 or more per year. I've seen some say 10-12 but I just don't see that.

When you get a rotation player on the cheap for 4 years it helps you allocate resources to other places. Hit a home run and it changes your franchise. Strike out and it isn't a huge deal (unless you strike out every year). A rotation player that is worse than Rodney but makes 12-15M less per year is much more valuable than Rodney.

Keeping Hood is a safer low upside route. Try and find the next Hood and try to get a bargain FA is the route I would choose.
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Either way that does not rebuild our team. You are saying the best case scenario is to hope to get the next Hood on a cheap deal that we can spend the next 4 years trying to develop into a winning rotational level player. I would rather trade him for a player that helps now or keep him. I would be okay with a pick in the future that has a chance at being a good pick but thats not my first choice. I dont want to take low odd chances at building a good team around our two all-star level players in Gobert and Mitchell.

Most Rookies dont help you team win. Most young players take 4+ years to help you win.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Either way that does not rebuild our team. You are saying the best case scenario is to hope to get the next Hood on a cheap deal that we can spend the next 4 years trying to develop into a winning rotational level player. I would rather trade him for a player that helps now or keep him. I would be okay with a pick in the future that has a chance at being a good pick but thats not my first choice. I dont want to take low odd chances at building a good team around our two all-star level players in Gobert and Mitchell.

Most Rookies dont help you team win. Most young players take 4+ years to help you win.
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We've gotten 3.5 years of solid production out of Hood. Some guys contribute as rookies and that is ideal. Wasn't like he was Dante and not helping the team.

Even if you get a guy like OG or Kyle Kuzma who help, but aren't helping as much... you can get a haul for moving one of those guys for proven talent.

I think our contending window goes with DM becoming an All Star... get something that hopefully matches that timeline. Most guys don't take four years if they are good.
 
Hekate said:
Bender is shootin around %35 inside the arc. Has 21 FTAs for the year. But he is 20.
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Shooting better from behind the arc than inside it, IIRC. I want a good and proper 3&D PF/C, and everything I've heard suggests that is exactly what he is/could be and basically nothing else (which I'm fine with).
 
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