Darkwing Duck
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FG% is not an indication of shooting in pretty much any shape or form.
Which is the more important statistic?
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FG% is not an indication of shooting in pretty much any shape or form.
candrew
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OOOOOOK, I thought in order to put the ball in the basket you were required to shoot it. And the percentage associated with how many tiimes you successfully put the ball in the basket determined how good you were at said task.
My bad.
UGLI baby
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gregbroncs
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MoreFeasts
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Show me the team with a higher fg% and a higher rebound %, and I'll show you the winner a high % of the time.
MoreFeasts
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If the numbers are split, I would guess that the higher fg% is the winner more often than not.
However, correlation does not equal causality.
However, correlation does not equal causality.
I chose %FG but they are both very important. Rebounding creates more chances for you to score but if you can't convert it doesn't hold as much value. You get possessions even if you are an average rebounding team and if you are making most of your shots it limits other teams rebounding.
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Darkwing Duck
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No, no, no. MY bad. I forgot Deandre Jordan was the best shooter in the league last year. My apologies.
Darkwing Duck
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I'm going to assume you're a TWTW guy. The team that won had the will to win.
seattlejazzfan
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Depends on the position the guy plays and how good or bad the rebounding/FG% is, but if I have to choose, I will say rebounding because you can overcome a below average FG% with a good eFG% and getting to the overall PPS (getting to the FT line often). The problem with using rebounding as an important stat is that if you have a guy who is a poor rebounder, but his team rebounds really well, the fact that he's a poor rebounder doesn't really matter - it becomes a meaningless stat.
If we're talking team stats, I'll take FG%.
If we're talking team stats, I'll take FG%.
gregbroncs
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The only stat that really matters.
candrew
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Yes, present an exception as the rule to prove FG% has nothing to do with shooting in "pretty much any shape or form." I appreciate your intellectual honesty.
framer
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Overall FG% is more than just shooting. A team with a high FG% is taking good shots and likely dominating inside. Dominating inside will win a lot of games. Also a high FG% will likely come with a high assist rate. That means that the offense is clicking and a lot more is happening than just shots going in due to the skill of the shooter.
I expect the Jazz to be pretty good at rebounding this year but to not win a lot of games. I'll wager our team FG% will be horrendous.
I expect the Jazz to be pretty good at rebounding this year but to not win a lot of games. I'll wager our team FG% will be horrendous.
If you assume.....
Unlike FG%, "Rebounding" is not a statistic so it is hard to say. Assuming that you are looking at "what stat is most important for a team to win" and that "rebounding" is "total rebounds per game," then the answer is clear: FG%.
For 2012/3:
Top 5 FG% teams: Heat, Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, Nuggets
Top 5 teams for total rebounds: Pacers, Nuggets, Warriors, Lakers, Bucks
NBA champion Heat were dead last in rebounds per game, so how important could it be?
I haven't run the stats, but there does not seem to be much, if any, correlation, between rebounds and wins. This of course does not mean that rebounding is not important, but rather that the statistic of rebounds per game is not very important. There are advance rebounding stats like rebound rate which seem to correlate better to team success, but I don't think that was the poll question (plus it does not correlate as well to wins as FG%, based on eyeballing the date).
Unlike FG%, "Rebounding" is not a statistic so it is hard to say. Assuming that you are looking at "what stat is most important for a team to win" and that "rebounding" is "total rebounds per game," then the answer is clear: FG%.
For 2012/3:
Top 5 FG% teams: Heat, Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, Nuggets
Top 5 teams for total rebounds: Pacers, Nuggets, Warriors, Lakers, Bucks
NBA champion Heat were dead last in rebounds per game, so how important could it be?
I haven't run the stats, but there does not seem to be much, if any, correlation, between rebounds and wins. This of course does not mean that rebounding is not important, but rather that the statistic of rebounds per game is not very important. There are advance rebounding stats like rebound rate which seem to correlate better to team success, but I don't think that was the poll question (plus it does not correlate as well to wins as FG%, based on eyeballing the date).
scootsy
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oh great... This joker started posting again??
Not a rare exception
I think the point it is a combination of being a good shooter and what shots a player is expected to take and chooses to take (shot selection). For example, a fantastic shooter who is expected by a team to lead in scoring often has a FG% that is suppressed below what it would be if they were asked to score more selectively (like when they have a wide open shot or a offensive rebound putback). Great shooters who take more 3s also drives down their FG%. So the best scorers often do not have the highest FG%, but they are taking many more shots.
To wit: Player 1 career FG% - 48.6% Player 2 = 45.1%.
Player 1 = Greg Ostertag, Player 2 = Kobe Bryant.
It is not a rare exception for this reason.
I think the point it is a combination of being a good shooter and what shots a player is expected to take and chooses to take (shot selection). For example, a fantastic shooter who is expected by a team to lead in scoring often has a FG% that is suppressed below what it would be if they were asked to score more selectively (like when they have a wide open shot or a offensive rebound putback). Great shooters who take more 3s also drives down their FG%. So the best scorers often do not have the highest FG%, but they are taking many more shots.
To wit: Player 1 career FG% - 48.6% Player 2 = 45.1%.
Player 1 = Greg Ostertag, Player 2 = Kobe Bryant.
It is not a rare exception for this reason.
I'd say bad rebounding correlates with losing more often than not...So yes rebounding is kinda important.
But total rebounds is a better than measure than reb/game but it still neglects pace.
If one would find a way to combine a stat like Team Def Reb Percentage with Def Reb / 100 Possessions that would be bawse. It would include opp FG% as a measure how hard/efficient a team guarded the other players and what's the likelihood to grab a Def Reb after a missed attempt.
candrew
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You're kind of going off here on a tangent here that is quite frankly boring the hell out of me. If you read my original post I said shooting is an innate quality. That quality may be having the feel to hit shots from anywhere on the court like Kobe Bryant or it may also be the fact that you're 7'2" like Ostertag or have the ability to jump out of the gym like DeAndre Jordan. If you want to say your FG% varies depending on who your are and whatever type of apples to oranges comparison you're trying to make; that's fine. It still doesn't exclude my point because that's not the point I was trying to make.
If you want to say shooting has nothing to do with FG% - that's idiotic.
addictionary
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Last I saw it, they pick the winner with the most points scored, not most boards grabbed.
Rebounding is very important. But there are various type of rebounds and for that matter, put back rebounds and the defensive ones that lead to assists or score from fastbreak are directly to the goal compared to second chances and defensive rebounds that lead to set piece offense.
Rebounding is cool coz the stats experts always consider it at a high level and it usually leads to double double which is another very very liked thingie. It determines whether if you have the ball or not.
But if you don't know what to do with it, what the hell is it for?
Field Goal Percentage.
Rebounding is very important. But there are various type of rebounds and for that matter, put back rebounds and the defensive ones that lead to assists or score from fastbreak are directly to the goal compared to second chances and defensive rebounds that lead to set piece offense.
Rebounding is cool coz the stats experts always consider it at a high level and it usually leads to double double which is another very very liked thingie. It determines whether if you have the ball or not.
But if you don't know what to do with it, what the hell is it for?
Field Goal Percentage.