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White House Discord: Bob Woodward Book, NYT Op-Ed

Seems politicians are getting people to believe two things. A) There needs to be absolutely, unequivocally equal criticism of both parties. That allows you to do worse things than the other party 'cause you'll be able to complain about not having equal criticism when you do more to be be criticized for. B) There's a baseline of how much criticism politics can get. That allows you to have no end on the bad things you do 'cause you can't keep piling on, as that exceeds the baseline.

Really removes the accountability.
 
People have always been hyper critical of the opposition but this is different. We don't criticize Trump enough. We can't keep up. It is constant everyday multiple times a day he does or says something that decent people should criticize. Yes the next president will be criticized but that person will almost assuredly not turn the presidency into a dumpster fire and keep throwing on more trash. That person will almost certainly have at least a few moments of appearing like a statesman.

And yet the opposition will act like he’s the devil himself. Or do you really believe the Rs (the likely losers of the next presidency) will not try and act like the next President isn’t the end of everything?

F trump. Doesn’t mean DC as whole isn’t a spiraling dumpster fire. Don’t get distracted that this one fire is burning a different color.

Also trump is critiqued and condemned constantly. Don’t act like he isn’t. And he should be.
 
And yet the opposition will act like he’s the devil himself. Or do you really believe the Rs (the likely losers of the next presidency) will not try and act like the next President isn’t the end of everything?

F trump. Doesn’t mean DC as whole isn’t a spiraling dumpster fire. Don’t get distracted that this one fire is burning a different color.

Also trump is critiqued and condemned constantly. Don’t act like he isn’t. And he should be.

Come on dude we haven't had a dumpster fire like this since at least Nixon. And honestly Nixon actually gave a **** about stuff and was not ******* crazy. So maybe that isn't fair to Dick.

Yes Trump is critiqued constantly but it still isn't enough because he does or says something unbecoming of the presidency before the current criticism can be digested.
 
Come on dude we haven't had a dumpster fire like this since at least Nixon. And honestly Nixon actually gave a **** about stuff and was not ******* crazy. So maybe that isn't fair to Dick.

Yes Trump is critiqued constantly but it still isn't enough because he does or says something unbecoming of the presidency before the current criticism can be digested.

And I predict that the next president while be vilified even worse. Deservingly or not.

Not sure why you’re trying to attack trump to me. F him. Just a train wreck. He still fits the pattern.
 
I don't think the next president will be vilified worse than Trump. Republican or Democrat, they will not be vilified as much as Trump.
 
I disagree. Guess we will see.
You saying that implies that Trump is being vilified just because. That's not true. It is for cause. The next President will not provide the same degree of cause and therefore will not be vilified in the same way.

Will people on the opposite side dislike the next president? Yes. Will they do and say ridiculous things in regard for their dislike? Yes. Will they have the same motivation, and therefore the same degree of outrage and energy? No. No they won't.

You're acting like the opposition to Trump is not based on cause. It is. It's real. He is DIFFERENT than any other President. They way that he is different is that he is not qualified and not competent to be the President and he has no intention of making an honest effort to uphold the standards of the office and he doesn't have any concern for the harm he is causing to the U.S. and our relationships around the world. He is DIFFERENT.
 
You saying that implies that Trump is being vilified just because. That's not true. It is for cause. The next President will not provide the same degree of cause and therefore will not be vilified in the same way.

Will people on the opposite side dislike the next president? Yes. Will they do and say ridiculous things in regard for their dislike? Yes. Will they have the same motivation, and therefore the same degree of outrage and energy? No. No they won't.

You're acting like the opposition to Trump is not based on cause. It is. It's real. He is DIFFERENT than any other President. They way that he is different is that he is not qualified and not competent to be the President and he has no intention of making an honest effort to uphold the standards of the office and he doesn't have any concern for the harm he is causing to the U.S. and our relationships around the world. He is DIFFERENT.

I’m not acting like it’s just because at all. I’ve openly derided him.

I am saying that now that the presidence of this level of opposition has been set by him being garbage that it only gets worse from here.

If the Ds lose they will froth at the mouth over the party that supported Donald...

If the Rs lose they will use the way Trump was treated as justification.

Trump actually deserving constant ridicule has only accelerated this cycle imo.

Only questions I have are when is enough truly enough? When do people refuse to go along anymore? Then what?
 
I’m not acting like it’s just because at all. I’ve openly derided him.

I am saying that now that the presidence of this level of opposition has been set by him being garbage that it only gets worse from here.

If the Ds lose they will froth at the mouth over the party that supported Donald...

If the Rs lose they will use the way Trump was treated as justification.

Trump actually deserving constant ridicule has only accelerated this cycle imo.

Only questions I have are when is enough truly enough? When do people refuse to go along anymore? Then what?
I see your point, but I think it will be different. It'd almost be better, imo, if in 2020 the Ds control the house and Senate and a not-Trump R is the President.
 
You saying that implies that Trump is being vilified just because. That's not true. It is for cause. The next President will not provide the same degree of cause and therefore will not be vilified in the same way.

Will people on the opposite side dislike the next president? Yes. Will they do and say ridiculous things in regard for their dislike? Yes. Will they have the same motivation, and therefore the same degree of outrage and energy? No. No they won't.

You're acting like the opposition to Trump is not based on cause. It is. It's real. He is DIFFERENT than any other President. They way that he is different is that he is not qualified and not competent to be the President and he has no intention of making an honest effort to uphold the standards of the office and he doesn't have any concern for the harm he is causing to the U.S. and our relationships around the world. He is DIFFERENT.
Trump isn't being vilified. He is being called out for being vile.

I would not want him anywhere near any female in my family kind of vile.

The problem with Republicans is they made a pact with the devil. They are getting the policies they want, at the expense of their moral character. I hope they will pay for it in the end. Because that will mean the nation has returned to a recognizable understanding of what is acceptable in the behavior of its leaders.

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I’m not acting like it’s just because at all. I’ve openly derided him.

I am saying that now that the presidence of this level of opposition has been set by him being garbage that it only gets worse from here.

If the Ds lose they will froth at the mouth over the party that supported Donald...

If the Rs lose they will use the way Trump was treated as justification.

Trump actually deserving constant ridicule has only accelerated this cycle imo.

Only questions I have are when is enough truly enough? When do people refuse to go along anymore? Then what?
The problem as I see it is that the right are willing to make stuff up in order to fight for their side, e.g. birther movement, Obama is a Muslim, Hillary is running a child trafficking ring from a pizzeria parlor, etc. They have been playing loose with facts for a long time. When their guy gets called out, they act like it is a game and fight to get even at all costs.

It's the main reason I'm no longer a Republican. I can't see my values reflected in the party, and refuse to turn a blind eye to what is happening.

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Practical Explanation ( For Example ) :- `1st of all can you tell me every single seconds detail from that time when you born ?? ( i need every seconds detail ?? that what- what you have thought and done on every single second )

can you tell me every single detail of your `1 cheapest Minute Or your whole hour, day, week, month, year or your whole life ??

if you are not able to tell me about this life then what proof do you have that you didn't forget your past ? and that you will not forget this present life in the future ?

that is Fact that Supreme Lord Krishna exists but we posses no such intelligence to understand him.
there is also next life. and i already proved you that no scientist, no politician, no so-called intelligent man in this world is able to understand this Truth. cuz they are imagining. and you cannot imagine what is god, who is god, what is after life etc.
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for example :Your father existed before your birth. you cannot say that before your birth your father don,t exists.

So you have to ask from mother, "Who is my father?" And if she says, "This gentleman is your father," then it is all right. It is easy.
Otherwise, if you makes research, "Who is my father?" go on searching for life; you'll never find your father.

( now maybe...maybe you will say that i will search my father from D.N.A, or i will prove it by photo's, or many other thing's which i will get from my mother and prove it that who is my Real father.{ So you have to believe the authority. who is that authority ? she is your mother. you cannot claim of any photo's, D.N.A or many other things without authority ( or ur mother ).

if you will show D.N.A, photo's, and many other proofs from other women then your mother. then what is use of those proofs ??} )

same you have to follow real authority. "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And You are accepted by Devala, Narada, Vyasa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the acaryas have accepted. Then I'll follow.
I'll have to follow great personalities. The same reason mother says, this gentleman is my father. That's all. Finish business. Where is the necessity of making research? All authorities accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You accept it; then your searching after God is finished.

Why should you waste your time?
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all that is you need is to hear from authority ( same like mother ). and i heard this truth from authority " Srila Prabhupada " he is my spiritual master.
im not talking these all things from my own.
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in this world no `1 can be Peace full. this is all along Fact.

cuz we all are suffering in this world 4 Problems which are Disease, Old age, Death, and Birth after Birth.

tell me are you really happy ?? you can,t be happy if you will ignore these 4 main problem. then still you will be Forced by Nature.
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if you really want to be happy then follow these 6 Things which are No illicit s.ex, No g.ambling, No d.rugs ( No tea & coffee ), No meat-eating ( No onion & garlic's )

5th thing is whatever you eat `1st offer it to Supreme Lord Krishna. ( if you know it what is Guru parama-para then offer them food not direct Supreme Lord Krishna )

and 6th " Main Thing " is you have to Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare ".
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If your not able to follow these 4 things no illicit s.ex, no g.ambling, no d.rugs, no meat-eating then don,t worry but chanting of this holy name ( Hare Krishna Maha-Mantra ) is very-very and very important.

Chant " hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare " and be happy.

if you still don,t believe on me then chant any other name for 5 Min's and chant this holy name for 5 Min's and you will see effect. i promise you it works And chanting at least 16 rounds ( each round of 108 beads ) of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily.
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Here is no Question of Holy Books quotes, Personal Experiences, Faith or Belief. i accept that Sometimes Faith is also Blind. Here is already Practical explanation which already proved that every`1 else in this world is nothing more then Busy Foolish and totally idiot.
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Source(s):
every `1 is already Blind in this world and if you will follow another Blind then you both will fall in hole. so try to follow that person who have Spiritual Eyes who can Guide you on Actual Right Path. ( my Authority & Guide is my Spiritual Master " Srila Prabhupada " )
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if you want to see Actual Purpose of human life then see this link : ( triple w ( d . o . t ) asitis ( d . o . t ) c . o . m {Bookmark it })
read it complete. ( i promise only readers of this book that they { he/she } will get every single answer which they want to know about why im in this material world, who im, what will happen after this life, what is best thing which will make Human Life Perfect, and what is perfection of Human Life. ) purpose of human life is not to live like animal cuz every`1 at present time doing 4 thing which are sleeping, eating, s.ex & fear. purpose of human life is to become freed from Birth after birth, Old Age, Disease, and Death.
 
The problem as I see it is that the right are willing to make stuff up in order to fight for their side, e.g. birther movement, Obama is a Muslim, Hillary is running a child trafficking ring from a pizzeria parlor, etc. They have been playing loose with facts for a long time. When their guy gets called out, they act like it is a game and fight to get even at all costs.

It's the main reason I'm no longer a Republican. I can't see my values reflected in the party, and refuse to turn a blind eye to what is happening.

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I see both sides willing to do that. Trump rarely gives the Ds a reason to invent. But they willingly engage in dramatic hysterics as well. Like Sen. Harris intentionally misquoting Kavanaugh to assign him a policy position that wasn’t his. And Sen. Booker threatening to release emails in knowing violation of senate rules. Turns out it was just dramatic grandstanding as he knew the emails had already been cleared for release that morning.

Or former rep Allen’s “Get sick and die”. Or left supported groups attempting to shut down free speech on universities and in public squares.

Don’t get me wrong. I agree with you on the Rs as well Birthers, Obama is a Muslim. Or how about conservative states passing needles laws against Sharia Law.

Dumbasses. The lot of them. And we see their idiocy spreading like wildfire.
 
you mean an anonymous fake official in Bob's imagination.

The whole Watergate thing, imo, was only run out "with permission" from the Rockefeller managers. Lessee.... back then I was in the Philippines during that election, talking to folks who proved credible that Philippine Pres. Ferdinand Marcos had been financed by the Rockefellers to win his first election. He got pretty big for his britches, pretty fast..... and started snarling and biting the hand that fed him. The media there started running up scandal after scandal, and Marcos declared Martial Law. At that time I was actually in a commie-controlled area, the Huks in central Luzon. They were pretty nice folks, and took me home for supper to explain Philippine history to me, and how American business Bigs had abused their country. These were not hayseed rural hicks, but college-educated and brilliant young folks whose parents WERE the corporate Bigs of the Philippines. University of the Philippines is the premier educational institution there, like Harvard.

When I got here, it was deja vu all over again. Nixon got too big for his britches, too.

But he wouldn't have been taken down if he had done what he was told. The whole problem with Trump is he is really his own damn man.

I might have absorbed some perspective from being a firstline bookkeeper hired to gather receipts and post them in ledgers in a huge sprawling mansion where, allegedly, "Deep Throat" called home. ah, what a career, being a fly on the wall.

At any rate, Woodward and Bernstein are over-rated hacks now. Hillary's crew has gotten out their "Active Measures" now, too. More twisted bias run out in desperation trying to stop the steady progress of unraveling the much more significant scandals coming from Obama's operations in weaponizing the federal agencies, using taxpayer assets to destroy representative democracy from the root up. More than 1000 times the private little burglar crew.....

Lol what a bunch of nonsense. I don't need Woodward or anyone to tell me that Trump is unbalanced and should be removed from office. Nixon lied through his teeth and used his position to cover it up. The right always makes up excuses when facts come out about their guys by claiming the Democrats are more corrupt without any proof. Conspiracy theories are not facts. Either the right is too dumb to catch the Democrats or there isn't anything there. Obama's weaponizing federal agencies.. what does that even mean? Sounds like you are one of the people who believed Obama was going to send federal troops to Texas which turned out to be right-winged conspiracy nonsense.
 
People have always been hyper critical of the opposition but this is different. We don't criticize Trump enough. We can't keep up. It is constant everyday multiple times a day he does or says something that decent people should criticize. Yes the next president will be criticized but that person will almost assuredly not turn the presidency into a dumpster fire and keep throwing on more trash. That person will almost certainly have at least a few moments of appearing like a statesman.

This
 
I see both sides willing to do that. Trump rarely gives the Ds a reason to invent. But they willingly engage in dramatic hysterics as well. Like Sen. Harris intentionally misquoting Kavanaugh to assign him a policy position that wasn’t his. And Sen. Booker threatening to release emails in knowing violation of senate rules. Turns out it was just dramatic grandstanding as he knew the emails had already been cleared for release that morning.

Or former rep Allen’s “Get sick and die”. Or left supported groups attempting to shut down free speech on universities and in public squares.

Don’t get me wrong. I agree with you on the Rs as well Birthers, Obama is a Muslim. Or how about conservative states passing needles laws against Sharia Law.

Dumbasses. The lot of them. And we see their idiocy spreading like wildfire.
So let's elevate the discourse and support those who do. We get the government we vote for. We are not powerless, nor guiltless in this endeavor.

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And I predict that the next president while be vilified even worse. Deservingly or not.
How and why though? There is no way the next president will do as many things as trump to get criticized for so there is no way they will be vilified even worse.
You act as if liberals are just making stuff up about trump all the time. And that liberals are making trump out to be the devil.
Trump is the one doing, saying, and tweeting these things.
The next president won’t do, say, and tweet the things trump does.
 
How and why though? There is no way the next president will do as many things as trump to get criticized for so there is no way they will be vilified even worse.
You act as if liberals are just making stuff up about trump all the time. And that liberals are making trump out to be the devil.
Trump is the one doing, saying, and tweeting these things.
The next president won’t do, say, and tweet the things trump does.

No, I do not think the next president will be anywhere even close to what Trump is. But I do think the precedent has been set and he will be slandered endlessly by the opposing party. Look at the slow ratcheting up of attacks. Both in number and viciousness since Clinton.

And yes, liberals (I’m talking most the party loyal, politicians and allied media outlets) are as quick to malign, misrepresent and lie to suit their needs as conservatives.

With Trump we just have the unfortunate situation of them not having to because he’s that bad.
 
I see both sides willing to do that. Trump rarely gives the Ds a reason to invent. But they willingly engage in dramatic hysterics as well. Like Sen. Harris intentionally misquoting Kavanaugh to assign him a policy position that wasn’t his.

Keep in mind it was Planned Parenthood that spread the quote that left out "they said". Admittedly, I don't know what role Harris played at that point, so I may be off base, but Planned Parenthood issued an acknowledgement that took responsibility for the misquote.
 
Keep in mind it was Planned Parenthood that spread the quote that left out "they said". Admittedly, I don't know what role Harris played at that point, so I may be off base, but Planned Parenthood issued an acknowledgement that took responsibility for the misquote.

From what I had read it was the other way around. Harris issues the quote with the key omissions and planned parenthood picked it up.

Interesting.
 
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