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VINYLONE said:
I don't think there's a comparison, especially if we are talking about the run-of-the-mill BSU's across this country. Take this one for instance, Googles example when searching "Black Student Union."

https://rockchalkcentral.ku.edu/organization/BSU

What sticks out to you when you see their banned?

or when you click on their profile link:



Here's the vision statement from the NBSU:



Again, are these black unions functioning at the consequence of others races? The black community suffers from fatherless families, an incarceration rate far higher than for every other race and a host of other problems. Black unions seem to me to add a sense of discipline and goal oriented thinking which is usually wholly needed in many communities regardless of race.
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All I am saying is that this trend towards race specific groups is a bad idea. We need more inclusion and exposure on an intimate level. Not self segregation. So on that level they are comparable.
 
Stoked said:
All I am saying is that this trend towards race specific groups is a bad idea. We need more inclusion and exposure on an intimate level. Not self segregation. So on that level they are comparable.
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I think if you use a different purview when thinking of these unions, you'd hopefully understand better. These unions have less to do with race and more to do with culture.
 
VINYLONE said:
I think if you use a different purview when thinking of these unions, you'd hopefully understand better. These unions have less to do with race and more to do with culture.
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This. As someone who is on college campuses a lot (especially minority heavy ones) and interacts with both students and faculty, I see these unions as a cultural thingy more than a segregation thingy.
 
VINYLONE said:
I think if you use a different purview when thinking of these unions, you'd hopefully understand better. These unions have less to do with race and more to do with culture.
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They can have more to do with culture than race. They don't always achieve that. White Unions can do the same.

Either way my point stands. It's not that I don't "understand", it's that I don't agree. But that's OK. I will still stick up for their right to form along pretty much whatever lines they wish.
 
VINYLONE said:
They can? Give me an example.
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The White Student Union was created on the University of Kansas in 1968. Since then we have focused on the building of the white community, but membership is by no means limited to just the white community.

The vision of NWSU is to; link White Student Unions at national, regional and state forums; encourage White Student Unions to pursue graduate and professional study; network White Student Unions in pursuit of public, private, and non-profit employment; maximize the participation of White Student Unions in select campus curricular and co-curricular activities ….STEM, study abroad, undergraduate research and student government/leadership.


Taken from your own post. You shouldn't confuse "don't" with "can't".

I just disagree with unions/groups/months that self segregate, regardless of the criteria used. (there are exceptions like women's abuse shelters) I see why they do it. I just think it's ineffective and can lead to hard feelings.
 
Stoked said:
The White Student Union was created on the University of Kansas in 1968. Since then we have focused on the building of the white community, but membership is by no means limited to just the white community.

The vision of NWSU is to; link White Student Unions at national, regional and state forums; encourage White Student Unions to pursue graduate and professional study; network White Student Unions in pursuit of public, private, and non-profit employment; maximize the participation of White Student Unions in select campus curricular and co-curricular activities ….STEM, study abroad, undergraduate research and student government/leadership.


Taken from your own post. You shouldn't confuse "don't" with "can't".

I just disagree with unions/groups/months that self segregate, regardless of the criteria used. (there are exceptions like women's abuse shelters) I see why they do it. I just think it's ineffective and can lead to hard feelings.
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Heh.
 
GVC said:
No they don't. What an absurd statement. The authoritarian mind at work!
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give an example of a white student union not clamouring for America's heinous past in the days of slavery, rife with implicit and explicit desires for a racist environment.
 
Question for ya'll

What do you all think of the gov. offering discounts/tax breaks/subsidies... for going to a college or buying a home in an area where you are a minority? It would have to meet certain %s and what not.

Like a black man getting a tax credit for buying a home in southern Utah, a white woman getting education subsidies for going to a historically black college and a Mexican woman getting education subsidies for going to a predominately white college?

The idea is to foster real life diversity and create exposure. America is increasingly self segregating and we need to reverse that.
 
dalamon said:
give an example of a white student union not clamouring for America's heinous past in the days of slavery, rife with implicit and explicit desires for a racist environment.
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How is that relevant? A group expressing a hateful opinion doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. Their behavior certainly isn't 'tantamount' to a crime. Out of curiosity, what right do you think anyone has over my expressed opinions?

Further, do you actually think it's a good idea to restrict/outlaw an individual's right to assemble and express opinions because that individual, or the group he seeks to join, shares characteristics with other hateful individuals or groups? Maybe we should outlaw the practice of Islam because of the existence of radical/violent Islamists. Fair?

That you can't grasp the problem with the nonsense you're spouting -- or even understand why I've labeled it illiberal -- is troubling. Is there anything more illiberal than seeking to restrict or outlaw free speech and assembly?
 
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this topic (and others like it) seem to be the perfect jazzfanz GD threads. If, by perfect, you mean digging your heels into entrenched opinions and punching it out.
 
People have a right to stupidity. They have a right to make a mockery of habits of assembly.
 
dalamon said:
give an example of a white student union not clamouring for America's heinous past in the days of slavery, rife with implicit and explicit desires for a racist environment.
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Give an example of a white student union that does clamour for slavery and racism
 
VINYLONE said:
What is this statement based on? I think things are the way they have always been.
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Ah, definitely not. Things are vastly better than they've been for almost all of history. Segregation was actual law not that long ago.

Stoked just likes to use the word "increasingly" for things that are obviously not increasing.
 
VINYLONE said:
What is this statement based on? I think things are the way they have always been.
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Has there always been segregation? Yes

But I see self segregation as on the rise. I'm not on a computer where I really want to search that. I have read article son it in Rueters, Salon, civilrights.org... there are tons of articles talking about this from educational and economic standpoints.

I never said segregation didn't exits. I just think people are choosing it willingly more and more.

We need to brake that trend and encourage mingling.

Just my opinion.
 
dalamon said:
rights are taken away when they infringe upon the rights of others. White unions celebrating America's white legacy and history do this precisely.
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What right's are being infringed upon by the formation of a white student union?
 
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