Who could we trade for?

[Stifle Tower]

Sit back and let this play out. Jesus. Who besides the delusional thought we would be better than this considering the ridiculous schedule we have had. There are only two players I really think should be moved and they are kanter and trey.

I'm also not willing to give up a 1st for anything other than a potential star. I'm liking how this draft class is coming together. If we could land another top7 pick their are some intriguing players there. Mix him in with our young vets i think we start sniffing the playoffs next year and are in a better position to swing for the fences for a star player if needed.

Ridiculous schedule?
8 Home and 9 Away. Not too bad. We've had an easy EC road trip that only included one top-tier team. As for our games against the WC, EVERY team except for Utah, Minny and LA is good. Oh yeah, we got HAMMERED by a 3-12 team missing their two best players. This team is a train wreck right now and it has little to do with the schedule.

As for trades, unless someone wants Trey or Enes, I'd probably sit tight. No combination of Jazz players is going to net us a superstar. Utah is headed for a top-5 pick. And the team can sign players via FA once they renounce the rights to Kanter. Maybe take a late 1st for a guy like Booker (a contender may give us that at the deadline). I'd do the same type trade for Trey. Maybe Enes is worth a 2nd to a contender who needs another big.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ridiculous schedule?
8 Home and 9 Away. Not too bad. We've had an easy EC road trip that only included one top-tier team. As for our games against the WC, EVERY team except for Utah, Minny and LA is good. Oh yeah, we got HAMMERED by a 3-12 team missing their two best players. This team is a train wreck right now and it has little to do with the schedule.

4 games in 5 nights is hard for any team. Not everyone has had that test yet.

 

[Stifle Tower]

4 games in 5 nights is hard for any team. Not everyone has had that test yet.

?
Guess I must have missed that. I don't see anywhere when the Jazz played 3 games in a row or 2, then a day off and 2 more. I see on their road trip they played 5 games in the space of a week.

However, even if I did miss the 4-in-5, across the NBA some teams have now played 19 games, some 15 and most right around the 17. So the Jazz have not played appreciably more than anyone else. Their schedule has been about average.


Edit: Boston has only played 14. The average for all 30 teams is 16.4 games. So just a hair more difficult than average for Utah in terms of total games. And just one game more in terms of away vs. home.

Conclusion: yes, the Jazz really ARE this bad and we can't hope the schedule will save us much going forward. Yes, we do still have 2 games against Philly and have not yet played LA or Minnesota. That gives Utah a few more wins (we hope). Then again, we haven't yet faced some of the better teams. So I will concede the schedule is somewhat easier than it has been over the first 17 games, but not by a lot.

 

[NAOS]

Brandon Jennings

 

[Primetime]

We have two big position problems right now. PG and PF. So the first question is do we want a upgrade for Trey, do we want a upgrade for Enes or maybe even for both?

For me a good respectable defense starts on the peimeter and to be more specific on the top of the key. Trey constantly allows penetration. He can't stand in front of his man for more than two seconds and he get's killed on screens every friggin time. That puts our bigs (especially Enes) in a terrible position. And it's really not just Enes. The Raptors put Derick a couple of times in the PnR with Trey and the result was the same. Easy points! I would think we can somehow overcome one terrible defender but certainly not two.

So my proposal would be to get Patrick Beverley from the Rockets! He is a pest on the defensive end. A hard nosed player who doesn't give up and is constantly in the opponents face. Offensively he is not much of a playmaker but he still can create with drive and kicks. And he isn't shy of contact. He doesn't draw many FTs but still more than Trey does. And he is great in catch and shoot situations fom downtown(51.3% on 5.6 attempts). He is also one of the better rebounding PG's in the League.

The question is could we get him via trade or do we need to wait till FA? I don't think the Rockets would trade him but their GM likes to have assets. Would a young PG with two years left on his rookie contract be enough or should we just wait and make him an offer in FA? Whatever the situation might be I think he would help us a lot.

 

[Fishsticks]

Ridiculous schedule?
8 Home and 9 Away. Not too bad. We've had an easy EC road trip that only included one top-tier team. As for our games against the WC, EVERY team except for Utah, Minny and LA is good. Oh yeah, we got HAMMERED by a 3-12 team missing their two best players. This team is a train wreck right now and it has little to do with the schedule.

As for trades, unless someone wants Trey or Enes, I'd probably sit tight. No combination of Jazz players is going to net us a superstar. Utah is headed for a top-5 pick. And the team can sign players via FA once they renounce the rights to Kanter. Maybe take a late 1st for a guy like Booker (a contender may give us that at the deadline). I'd do the same type trade for Trey. Maybe Enes is worth a 2nd to a contender who needs another big.

I am not going to argue with you because I am right. They have the 5th toughest schedule thus far.

 

[NAOS]

We have two big position problems right now. PG and PF. So the first question is do we want a upgrade for Trey, do we want a upgrade for Enes or maybe even for both?

For me a good respectable defense starts on the peimeter and to be more specific on the top of the key. Trey constantly allows penetration. He can't stand in front of his man for more than two seconds and he get's killed on screens every friggin time. That puts our bigs (especially Enes) in a terrible position. And it's really not just Enes. The Raptors put Derick a couple of times in the PnR with Trey and the result was the same. Easy points! I would think we can somehow overcome one terrible defender but certainly not two.

So my proposal would be to get Patrick Beverley from the Rockets! He is a pest on the defensive end. A hard nosed player who doesn't give up and is constantly in the opponents face. Offensively he is not much of a playmaker but he still can create with drive and kicks. And he isn't shy of contact. He doesn't draw many FTs but still more than Trey does. And he is great in catch and shoot situations fom downtown(51.3% on 5.6 attempts). He is also one of the better rebounding PG's in the League.

The question is could we get him via trade or do we need to wait till FA? I don't think the Rockets would trade him but their GM likes to have assets. Would a young PG with two years left on his rookie contract be enough or should we just wait and make him an offer in FA? Whatever the situation might be I think he would help us a lot.

They aren't trading Beverley.

 

[b_line]

I am not going to argue with you because I am right. They have the 5th toughest schedule thus far.

The only counter argument to your pointing out the 5th toughest schedule, is that the Jazz did remarkably well in the first 12 games of that tough schedule, and then the schedule seemed to ease up a bit as far as number of games is concerned, and the Jazz have not won a game since.

Part of that may be that Quin seems to push them really hard in practice, probably too hard to win a lot of games. I just don't think Quin is too concerned with the win loss record at this point. He seems to want to see the improvement in the system, and wins will come later.

 

[Jazz4ever]

We have two big position problems right now. PG and PF. So the first question is do we want a upgrade for Trey, do we want a upgrade for Enes or maybe even for both?

For me a good respectable defense starts on the peimeter and to be more specific on the top of the key. Trey constantly allows penetration. He can't stand in front of his man for more than two seconds and he get's killed on screens every friggin time. That puts our bigs (especially Enes) in a terrible position. And it's really not just Enes. The Raptors put Derick a couple of times in the PnR with Trey and the result was the same. Easy points! I would think we can somehow overcome one terrible defender but certainly not two.

So my proposal would be to get Patrick Beverley from the Rockets! He is a pest on the defensive end. A hard nosed player who doesn't give up and is constantly in the opponents face. Offensively he is not much of a playmaker but he still can create with drive and kicks. And he isn't shy of contact. He doesn't draw many FTs but still more than Trey does. And he is great in catch and shoot situations fom downtown(51.3% on 5.6 attempts). He is also one of the better rebounding PG's in the League.

The question is could we get him via trade or do we need to wait till FA? I don't think the Rockets would trade him but their GM likes to have assets. Would a young PG with two years left on his rookie contract be enough or should we just wait and make him an offer in FA? Whatever the situation might be I think he would help us a lot.

Beverly would be an unknown in our system. He could be worse than Burke because 77% of his shots are assisted. What happens when he has to create his own offense and that number comes down to 49% like Burke? Most likely brick city. His 2 assists per game would hurt Favors and Kanter's production, most likely by a lot. Its always risky judging complimentary players like Beverly who get to play next to a superstar.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I am not going to argue with you because I am right. They have the 5th toughest schedule thus far.

Based on winning percentages of opponents to date, correct?
We'll we've helped that by giving opponents 14 wins against us. Sure the schedule will lighten up: we still need to play Minny, Lakers and Philly. But we've also been torched by a Durant/Westbrook-lees Thunder team and haven't been competitive against several others. This is a repeat of last season: we're not as bad as our start, but not as good as we should be.

But I'm ok with that. Burke and Kanter are busts for where they were picked. Alec is a 6th man. Jazz desperately need another couple of starters. One they can get via free agency; the other they can hopefully pick up via the draft. However, with their history, maybe a safer route is trading that top-5 pick for a known commodity.

 

[VINYLONE]

Does trading for anyone get us closer to something? I mean, we are not going to get a superstar in a trade, so would trading be a net positive?

 

[b_line]

Does trading for anyone get us closer to something? I mean, we are not going to get a superstar in a trade, so would trading be a net positive?

Maybe trade for draft picks or something.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Does trading for anyone get us closer to something? I mean, we are not going to get a superstar in a trade, so would trading be a net positive?

Would need to trade for a restricted FA so we could match a contract.
OKC will need to choose between Westbrook and Jackson. Also, Perry Jones was having a breakout season. Doubtful they can keep him when he becomes a RFA.Those are just 2 examples; I'm sure there are a few others.

I'd rather see the Jazz start Gobert and Favors. Then - assuming no amazing lottery luck - draft Turner or Johnson. If they get a big, then go after a wing in FA. At 12:00.01 DL calls Wesley Matthews and Quin calls DeMarre Carroll. Sign one of those guys and have Alec be the 6th man. If the Jazz draft a wing, then Kanter returns to back up Gobert - unless a better option can be found. It's tough to find reasonably-priced bigs so I think the Jazz may go that route via the draft: even someone like McCullough or Porzingas could be a good choice.

Definitely think Matthews and Carroll are the best options of guys who may want to sign with Utah. Matthews liked it here and said all the right things; he understood why the Jazz didn't match his contract and was almost apologetic about leaving. Carroll is probably a little upset DL didn't keep him, but he developed a close relationship with Quin. Jazz could give him a nice fat contract. He's developed into a great 3PT shooter. I LOVE Millsap. He fits Quin's offense as a stretch-4. But he doesn't fit personnel-wise. Favors needs to start. So would Millsap. So that gives Utah two undersized players starting at PF and C. Just don't like that situation.

AS for a PG, if the Jazz replace Trey, I see them getting a veteran who could start for another year or two before gradually giving way to Exum. Also, they may bring over Neto. It's risky only having 2 legit PG's on the roster. Guess they feel a D-Leaguer could be signed if Trey or Dante get hurt.

 

[b_line]

I

Would need to trade for a restricted FA so we could match a contract.
I'd rather see the Jazz start Gobert and Favors. Then - assuming no amazing lottery luck - draft Turner or Johnson. If they get a big, then go after a wing in FA. At 12:00.01 DL calls Wesley Matthews and Quin calls DeMarre Carroll. Sign one of those guys and have Alec be the 6th man. If the Jazz draft a wing, then Kanter returns to back up Gobert - unless a better option can be found. It's tough to find reasonably-priced bigs so I think the Jazz may go that route via the draft: even someone like McCullough or Porzingas could be a good choice.

Definitely think Matthews and Carroll are the best options of guys who may want to return to Utah. Matthews liked it here and said all the right things; he understood why the Jazz didn't match his contract and was almost apologetic about leaving. Carroll is probably a little upset DL didn't keep him, but he developed a close relationship with Quin. Jazz could give him a nice fat contract. He's developed into a great 3PT shooter. I LOVE Millsap, but he just doesn't fit. Favors needs to start. So would Millsap. So that gives Utah two undersized players starting at PF and C. Just don't like that situation.

Don't know what you are saying about millsap not fitting with this roster. There is literally not a better fit for this roster than millsap

 

[Stifle Tower]

I
Don't know what you are saying about millsap not fitting with this roster. There is literally not a better fit for this roster than millsap

He fits Quin's system. But that doesn't mean he'd fit with the roster. Is Millsap going to come in and be a backup? Not a chance in hell. Are we going to bench our $12M man? Not likely. So the starting bigs are a 6'8" PF and a 6'10" center. Millsap isn't exactly known as a great defender. So yes, Millsap fits the system, but I can't see him co-existing with Derrick. That's what I meant by my last lines.

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

My My, we are an impatient bunch.

The team that gives up on their current plan and starts over every other year never gets better. You can't lways be rebuilding. Eventually you have to play with the team you have for a couple of years and see what you have.

I agree but we have let a lot of our assets walk, in hopes that we would get better and we are horrible. At this point, we have to do something because- lets face it, we can't get any worse. We let Al Jefferson, Wes Mathews and P Millsap walk in hopes to build who we had to take their place. How well has that worked out for us?? If you want to build then start with proven talent that you have instead of trying to build a foundation on question marks. Now we are horrible and we have to get a stronger asset in the picture to be able to build anything. If we build what we have now were looking at having a 40 - 42 team in 3 years. Thats not what we need to be shooting for. We are lacking a couple pieces to put us in the 50+ win category in a few years.

 

[b_line]

He fits Quin's system. But that doesn't mean he'd fit with the roster. Is Millsap going to come in and be a backup? Not a chance in hell. Are we going to bench our $12M man? Not likely. So the starting bigs are a 6'8" PF and a 6'10" center. Millsap isn't exactly known as a great defender. So yes, Millsap fits the system, but I can't see him co-existing with Derrick. That's what I meant by my last lines.

I guess we disagree. I think a front court rotation of favors, millsap and Rudy could be pretty awesome. Millsap and favors could start, and we could get Rudy and sap to play a fair amount together too.

If we get a decent starting two guard who plays great defense, we could be awesome.

 

[VINYLONE]

Kanter & Burke for Faried is one that I'm liking the most so far from this thread.


Faried is on the out in Denver, their FO is dysfunctional, their GM is a rookie. If they don't make the playoffs this year we should take Faried off their hands.

You do realize that his two parents are women right? Why would he want to play for a state that outlaws the union of his two Moms? If I were Faried I would NOT to play behind the Mormon curtain.

 

[b_line]

You do realize that his two parents are women right? Why would he want to play for a state that outlaws the union of his two Moms? If I were Faried I would NOT to play behind the Mormon curtain.

That stuff is legal now.