Who is the leadership problem?

[oneye]

So, when you lose to one of the worst offensive teams in the last couple decades and get 76 points scored on you in a half by that team there's a deeper problem than simply "our guys can't defend". The team has 3(maybe 4) potential leaders. Quin, Donovan, Rudy, *Mike. I think it's much more on the first 3 to hold themselves and their teammates accountable. Mike has his value there, he's more a quiet toned guy though, and it's Rudy and Donovan's team with Quin being the coach. There is a lack of leadership within this group. The embarrassing things we saw last night just aren't a thing unless you have a leadership issue and its not a one off. It's far too often that the team just seems like it's sleep walking.

 

[slc]

Use Karl Malone or John Stockton as examples
Neither ever took a play off Ever
They said they were not cheerleaders either
But they were leaders
Who on current Jazz are like that?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's Quin at the end of the day.

You can let Mitchell have his way. You can let him shoot a lot, pass a little, play hero ball, give lax effort on D and all that. He's a star. He makes up for it on the offensive end for the most part.

You can't let Jordan Clarkson have his way all the time. That's when it goes from super-star lenience, which everyone gets for the most part, to letting your role players dog it on defense because they see Clarkson dogging it on D and getting all the glory of the 6th man reward and all the shots he wants.

How do we expect a guy like Jared Butler to succeed when he probably gets ton of mixed messages about defense when he hears one thing, but then sees a role player like Clarkson play like absolute **** on D and suffer no consequences.

I put no blame on Mike. He's the last guy to join and he doesnt want to step on toes. It's not his personality and not where he thrives as a leader.

 

[l Abach l]

It's Quin at the end of the day.

You can let Mitchell have his way. You can let him shoot a lot, pass a little, play hero ball, give lax effort on D and all that. He's a star. He makes up for it on the offensive end for the most part.

You can't let Jordan Clarkson have his way all the time. That's when it goes from super-star lenience, which everyone gets for the most part, to letting your role players dog it on defense because they see Clarkson dogging it on D and getting all the glory of the 6th man reward and all the shots he wants.

How do we expect a guy like Jared Butler to succeed when he probably gets ton of mixed messages about defense when he hears one thing, but then sees a role player like Clarkson play like absolute **** on D and suffer no consequences.

I put no blame on Mike. He's the last guy to join and he doesnt want to step on toes. It's not his personality and not where he thrives as a leader.

I will never understand why Quin is hitching his wagon to the JC horse .... JC is worthless.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I will never understand why Quin is hitching his wagon to the JC horse .... JC is worthless.

I got it when we traded him. THen he was incredible to start the 1st half of the following season. Since then reality has set in and Quin/FO is in denial for some reason.