Zerol
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From Deseret News:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...at-power-forward-still-yet-to-be-decided.html
Thoughts?
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...at-power-forward-still-yet-to-be-decided.html
Thoughts?
Who starts at 4??
- Thread starter Zerol
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Start Sap, sub AK.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
No way do they alienate Millsap by starting AK at the 4. Paul has been a good soldier, but he's ready for a shot. AK may or may not be with the Jazz for the entire season. And I'd say it's 50/50 at best if he returns next year.
What I would do is start AK at SF and play him about 7-8 mins. Then you bring in Evans or Hawyard. Millsap plays the entire 1st/3rd at PF and sits down at the quarter break, with AK then re-entering the game at PF for 6-7 mins. before Millsap comes back in to finish up.
At SG, I'd start Raja to set the early tone on defeense. You want the best defender on their starting SG, who will usually be a scorer. Don't let the opposition get into a rhythm. CJ can be a main option as the 6th man. I think he's good for that role.
Here's what I see happening until Okur returns:
C - Jefferson (34); Elson (10); Fes (4)
PF - Millsap (32); AK (16)
SF - AK (16); CJ (14) Hayward (13); Evans (5)
SG - Raja (28); CJ (14); Price (6)
PG - Deron (34); Watson (14)
Obviously, some of the mins will be different depending on the opposition. Fes won't play at all against smaller, quicker teams. I also see Sloan using some 2 PG line-ups. In that case, Deron is probably the one that plays off the ball, just like he did last season with Maynor. I love a Jefferson/AK/Evans lineup against smaller teams. That just seems unfair rebounding-wise.
What I would do is start AK at SF and play him about 7-8 mins. Then you bring in Evans or Hawyard. Millsap plays the entire 1st/3rd at PF and sits down at the quarter break, with AK then re-entering the game at PF for 6-7 mins. before Millsap comes back in to finish up.
At SG, I'd start Raja to set the early tone on defeense. You want the best defender on their starting SG, who will usually be a scorer. Don't let the opposition get into a rhythm. CJ can be a main option as the 6th man. I think he's good for that role.
Here's what I see happening until Okur returns:
C - Jefferson (34); Elson (10); Fes (4)
PF - Millsap (32); AK (16)
SF - AK (16); CJ (14) Hayward (13); Evans (5)
SG - Raja (28); CJ (14); Price (6)
PG - Deron (34); Watson (14)
Obviously, some of the mins will be different depending on the opposition. Fes won't play at all against smaller, quicker teams. I also see Sloan using some 2 PG line-ups. In that case, Deron is probably the one that plays off the ball, just like he did last season with Maynor. I love a Jefferson/AK/Evans lineup against smaller teams. That just seems unfair rebounding-wise.
That looks about right to me. The one thing I would add, is that I wouldn't be surprised to see Jerry go with a Deron-Watson lineup every once in a while. That would mean that either Deron or Watson should have some minutes at SG.
The only reason that lineup is used is if we have injury problems or foul trouble in a game. If a midget is gonna play SG, it will be Price.
InGameStrategy
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You already have AK in there to set the early tone on defense. And you need a wing in there to set the early tone on outside shooting. I don't think AK or Bell is the best for that. Perhaps most importantly, you don't want to have Elder Hayward and Catch 'n Jack to be playing a lot together, and there might be a benefit for Bell to come in as an enforcer after the opposition has worn down a little bit. More often than not, playing two defense-oriented players (e.g., AK + Brewer) or two shooting-oriented players (e.g., CJ + KK) doesn't work. Let Bell be backup; despite his history with the Jazz he's the new veteran wing on the team, he can help to mentor Hayward or even CJ, and he won't get worn down so quickly. Oh--and he was winded on the first day of camp.
So the first wing substitution in should be Bell for AK so that there is a wing defender on the court at all times. Then AK comes in at the 4 for Millsap in late Q1 or at the beginning of Q2.
Of course this rotation can vary depending on the matchups and other In-Game Strategy.
P.S. Elson shouldn't get more minutes than Fes unless he proves that he deserves them. No more veteran carte blanche. I don't care who's better, as long as someone is effective as backup C. And the evaluation should be what the team does when they are on the court, not what they do in the individual box score or in practice.
Given that Fes's team impact showed promise (without many historical minutes) in the playoffs, he should get the initial nod, but that could change from the preseason to the start of the season if Elson performs significantly better than Fes. Elson having a nice showing in the scrimmage game isn't enough.
What's so messed up about this thread is your numbers you have for each players' game minutes. It's completely wrong.
For example, you didn't even account for an overtime game? That's gonna totally change your numbers here.
Please try to think before posting. Some of us don't have time to read something that's not accurate on the internet.
For example, you didn't even account for an overtime game? That's gonna totally change your numbers here.
Please try to think before posting. Some of us don't have time to read something that's not accurate on the internet.
fastmodena
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They are definitely starting Millsap. Jefferson is more of a 4 then a true 5 but he has to start too. So that leaves AK at the SF rotating into the 4. AK is not a true 4 so he will not be starting there. No way they start anyone else at SF over AK.
My thoughts anyway.
My thoughts anyway.
sportsnut1232
Member
Do you realize that Bell is probably the best shooter on our team? I would start Bell to set the tone on defense but also for his shooting and toughness. We need to intimidate the opposition from the start, and Bell is our man when it comes to that.
I do like your point about keeping Bell fresh. I think this applies to AK as well. We need both of them to be in great shape come playoff time. I guess we just have to hope CJ has improved and Hayward is ready to contribute 15 quality minutes.
JoelHodgeJr
Well-Known Member
Here is a crazy thought: Lets go real big in real way.
1. Deron
2. Bell
3. Milsap
4. AK
5. AL
I know it sounds crazy but AK needs to be on the block to get those hands in the interior passing lanes, and disrupt interior shots with his spontaneous shot blocking. Although I know many will come out and disagree with me, I think Sap is athletic enough to body quicker 3's but still be able to play D, and manhandle on offence. Remember AK is taller then Sap.
1. Deron
2. Bell
3. Milsap
4. AK
5. AL
I know it sounds crazy but AK needs to be on the block to get those hands in the interior passing lanes, and disrupt interior shots with his spontaneous shot blocking. Although I know many will come out and disagree with me, I think Sap is athletic enough to body quicker 3's but still be able to play D, and manhandle on offence. Remember AK is taller then Sap.
JoelHodgeJr
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I just dont think we are utillizing AK's great defense when he's stuck out on the perimeter. He could be the best help defender in the league, but if he's 20 feet away from the drive its real hard to help.
unluckyseventeen
Well-Known Member
This won't be an issue because they will both start. It'll be Deron, CJ, AK, Millsap, Jefferson.
JoelHodgeJr
Well-Known Member
Way to not add to the discussion at all.
ncoloradojazz
Banned
You are a dummy.Im serious. I think you have no ball iq. im dead serious. Didnt dwill play some 2 huis rookie year? also he played with dee in college and that was fine. Dwill guardds the opposing 2 but plays pg in offense. You will see this lineup when play teams like denver who plays both lawson and billups at same time, but of course if the jazz do this they are dumb in your mind cuz they are playingmidgets.lol..how tall are you? Maybe i should call you a midget cuz your probally smaller then me.Clown
InGameStrategy
Well-Known Member
Well, historically Bell has been a better 3-point shooter, but Bell's and Miles' regular-season career FG% is the same.
To your point, the more important thing is to have at least one defender on the floor at all times, and Sloan has not shown to focus on making sure a starting wing is on the floor at all times, so the best way to increase the chances of this is to bring a defense-oriented player off the bench. The best choice would be Bell. The biggest objective here is to not have CJ and Hayward on the court much at the same time (unless they somehow prove to be able to hold their own together on both ends of the floor, which would be in stark contrast to Miles + Korver in previous years). Keeping Bell fresh for the 4th quarter is perhaps as important a reason.
InGameStrategy
Well-Known Member
"You are a dummy.Im serious." You really know how to sell it.
Yeah, because that Derek-Fisher-at-SG experiment worked out real well, didn't it?
Besides, Price hasn't particularly distinguished himself at the 2, anyway; 82 games has him playing worse at SG--and that's taking into account that Sloan was selectively playing Price at SG when hopefully he would be successful (or when there was absolutely no other option).
https://www.82games.com/0910/09UTA4.HTM#bypos
The only time to play two PGs is when the height matchup isn't too damaging. It is possible that DW can handle SGs 2 or 3 inches taller OK, but I am not convinced that such a setup is superior than having Bell or AK or CJ or Honzward play the other backcourt position alongside D-Will--or even a backup--in most cases.
sportsnut1232
Member
I like the idea of giving Price a few minutes at the 2 due to his defense. As far as Dwill at the 2, I like the idea if Watson running the point. That said, I would only do this in situations where we are really struggling to score.