Who will replace Biden?

[Rubashov]

unfortunately Harris was selected on being a black woman way moreso than merit and is perceived even more negatively than Joe atm. The challengers like Newsome probably don't want to be seen as too opportunistic too soon, give it a week or two

Harris from a few things I've read seems to be a bit out of her depth. The challenge should have been on 6 months ago.

 

[fishonjazz]

they should charge them all and they should start with the real crimes like all the war crimes I mentioned not ****ing clerical technicalities.

So then you are against presidents having immunity?

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[fishonjazz]

Ya so you’re aware that Joe Biden was completely lying and blowing smoke up your *** in that video? That’s all I was saying.

I didn't watch any video sorry.
But I tend to generally think that politicians lie a lot.

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[LogGrad98]

So then you are against presidents having immunity?

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He is for or against whatever will piss you and other people off.

 

[Douchebag K]

fascinating seeing Joe (or Jill) dig his heels in. How long can he realistically hang on before the pressure is too much ??

 

[LogGrad98]

fascinating seeing Joe (or Jill) dig his heels in. How long can he realistically hang on before the pressure is too much ??

The more the dementia kicks in the less pressure he feels, other than the fact that he can't remember who anyone is.

 

[fishonjazz]

Who will replace Biden as the new Democratic nominee?

There are several options being floated among Democrats to replace Joe Biden at the top of the ticket.

www.yahoo.com

Of these choices Mayor Pete would be my first choice. 42 years old. Very intelligent. Very well spoken. His gayness might make him lose though. I would still go with him anyway.
The former mayor of South Bend, Ind., Buttigieg, 42, was the breakout star of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary contest; he even won the Iowa caucuses. Some of his rise stemmed from his pioneering identity: If nominated, Buttigieg might have become the first openly gay president in U.S. history. But the bigger factor was his ability to craft and articulate a clear, concise, consistent message. As Biden’s transportation secretary, Buttigieg has honed his rhetorical skills while gaining valuable government experience.

My second choice would be Newsome. 56 years old. Looks the part. Charasmatic. Well spoken. His ties to california would probably hurt him too much (people hate california). I dont think he should be the choice despite the fact that I like him ok.
Newsom, 56, is the telegenic, smooth-talking governor of the most populous state in the country. In recent years, he has also fashioned himself as a national figure — the leading mouthpiece for anti-Trump, anti-MAGA liberals at a moment when, in his opinion, much of the rest of the Democratic Party has been falling short. He has debated Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, his GOP counterpart; he has raised money for red-state Dems; he has appeared on Fox News. If the key to beating Trump is winning the attention war, then Newsom is a step ahead of his fellow White House hopefuls.

My third choice would probably be whitmer. 52 years old. Im ready to see what a woman president could do. She has been very successful politically
She’s in charge of Michigan, perhaps the most important swing state. In the 2022 midterms — typically a tough time for members of the president’s party — Whitmer won reelection over her GOP challenger, a conservative media personality, by more than 10 percentage points, helping Democrats flip the state legislature. She then signed progressive laws on climate change, gay rights, guns and unions and positioned herself as a leading post-Roe crusader for abortion rights — while maintaining one of the highest net approval ratings of any battleground governor.

Those are the only ones I really know anything at all about besides Harris, who would be one of last choices and whom I dont like. Since I dont like her she will probably take bidens spot lol.

But I would vote for anyone over trump and biden at this point.

For those hoping for Michelle Obama this article has her as the least likely choice despite doing the best of anyone in head to head polls vs trump.
A post-debate Ipsos/Reuters poll found that the former first lady, 60, would trounce Trump 50% to 39% if the election were held today, making her the only Democrat on this list who would start the race with better-than-even odds of holding onto the Oval Office. That’s a testament to Obama’s enduring popularity — both her husband Barack’s, and her own.
Obama has no experience running for elective office. She has never been a political candidate. And more than that, she seems to despise the whole partisan process, having tried (and failed) to prevent her husband from running and subsequently “drilled into [her daughters] so early that you would be crazy to go into politics,” as Barack recently put it. The chances that Obama would sacrifice her hard-earned post-White House private life to mud wrestle with Trump are next to nil.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

There is a strong rumor going around Washington right now that Biden will not only stop his campaign, but that he will resign from the Presidency in this next week.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

View: https://x.com/TomFitton/status/1808661808238243896

 

[fishonjazz]

There is a strong rumor going around Washington right now that Biden will not only stop his campaign, but that he will resign from the Presidency in this next week.

Wow if true. Wouldn't be surprised about the first part but would be pretty shocked about the second part.

If I were him I would definitely not be running for a second term. Of course I would have made that decision a long time ago. President is a stressful job with most of the world and at least half the country hating you. Biden has accomplished enough and made plenty of money. And is old as ****. It's insane to me that he would even want to have a second term.


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[LogGrad98]

Wow if true. Wouldn't be surprised about the first part but would be pretty shocked about the second part.

If I were him I would definitely not be running for a second term. Of course I would have made that decision a long time ago. President is a stressful job with most of the world and at least half the country hating you. Biden has accomplished enough and made plenty of money. And is old as ****. It's insane to me that he would even want to have a second term.


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Power is intoxicating. Especially secondary power that comes with being connected to the one in power but with none of the responsibility. That's why Biden's family is pushing him so hard. They like being related to the president.

 

[fishonjazz]

Power is intoxicating. Especially secondary power that comes with being connected to the one in power but with none of the responsibility. That's why Biden's family is pushing him so hard. They like being related to the president.

Man I just don't get it.

I would love to be rich. But **** being famous or powerful.

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[Al-O-Meter]

Wow if true. Wouldn't be surprised about the first part but would be pretty shocked about the second part.

We'll see, but I could definitely see this happening. If Joe Biden stays in then he will win, and Kamala will be VP, and when Biden dies or whatever then Kamala will have the Presidency until 2028, at which time she will be the incumbent and most likely to win another term. That would lock Gavin Newsom out until 2032.

Very deep pocketed billionaires are backing Gavin Newsom and the Biden clan likes money. It solves a problem for the Democrats to have Kamala be the first woman President and first Black woman President now in this current term so that in the election this November they don't have to worry about needing to push the first Black woman President because been there, done that.

 

[fishonjazz]

We'll see, but I could definitely see this happening. If Joe Biden stays in then he will win, and Kamala will be VP, and when Biden dies or whatever then Kamala will have the Presidency until 2028, at which time she will be the incumbent and most likely to win another term. That would lock Gavin Newsom out until 2032.

Very deep pocketed billionaires are backing Gavin Newsom and the Biden clan likes money. It solves a problem for the Democrats to have Kamala be the first woman President and first Black woman President now in this current term so that in the election this November they don't have to worry about needing to push the first Black woman President because been there, done that.

I hope you are right

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[Bucknutz]

Man I just don't get it.

I would love to be rich. But **** being famous or powerful.

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Being famous would be the absolute worse to me. I would go into hiding; it would be so irritating to go to a peaceful dinner or outing and being approached and talking to strangers.

 

[fishonjazz]

Being famous would be the absolute worse to me. I would go into hiding; it would be so irritating to go to a peaceful dinner or outing and being approached and talking to strangers.

Yep. It would suck really bad.

Even if you were famous and most everyone liked you it would suck. But being famous and having millions of people hate you? **** that.

It's crazy to me that anyone who is already successful would want to be president. I'm glad there are those who do want to be president but if I were rich, smart, successful, happy etc then there is no way in hell I would have any desire to be the president.

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[Red]

My sister mentioned to me yesterday, she could not remember where she read it, but the more I thought about it the more I saw the potential merit: “Which ever party nominates someone different, will win the election”. This belief would derive from this fact: many Americans do not want to see another Biden-Trump race. Nominate someone younger, put together a new ticket, and the Democrats could gain momentum, not lose the 2024 election. Even with such a short time to campaign an all new ticket, the excitement could work, and work well, in this most unusual election cycle:

Every Democrat Other Than Joe Biden Is Unburdened by What Has Been

As voters look for an option other than Biden or Trump, alternative Democratic leaders poll similarly or even better than Biden.

theintercept.com

From the Intercept article:

“Since the poll results come without any concentrated campaign by any of the officials, they can be read as a reflection of floors rather than ceilings for each of the alternative Democrats. Given mass voter discontent with the choice between Trump and Biden, the polling suggests that voters could readily get behind someone else.

A Reuters poll conducted as far back as January found that about half of Democrats and 75 percent of independents thought Biden should not run for president again; it also found that 31 percent of Republicans and 63 percent of independents said Trump shouldn’t run again. A NewsNation poll conducted around the same time found that 59 percent of Americans wouldn’t be enthusiastic about a Biden-Trump rematch. The trend has continued in recent polling: A post-debate USA Today poll found that 41 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of independents wanted Biden replaced, with 63 percent of independents wanting Trump replaced. A CBS poll similarly found nearly half of Democrats want Biden to step aside.

In the aftermath of the debate, a CNN poll found 75 percent of all voters thought Democrats would have a better chance at winning the election with someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket. It suggested Whitmer, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg were all doing slightly better than the presiden, with Harris within the margin of error of Trump. (Harris’s net-approval rating average is also 9 points better than Biden’s).

This polling suggests there are substantial numbers of disenchanted Democrats, independents, and even Republicans who could be enthused by an alternative, while those still standing by Biden are just as likely to support any Democratic alternative to Trump. A Democratic presidential campaign that’s been shedding support could instead be one that’s gaining momentum”.

Democratic operative Carville feels the same way:

James Carville Issues Blunt Plea To Democratic Donors About Ditching Biden

The longtime Democratic strategist reportedly warned donors what he’d do if “we don’t do something about this.”

www.huffpost.com

Kamala Harris’ massive edge for nomination:

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/04/kamala-harris-replace-biden-2024-election

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So, the argument is: what seems like a massive advantage for Trump post Biden debate debacle could be an advantage Democrats, if the “we don’t want Trump or Biden” motivates the electorate that much. The Republican convention will nominate Trump. Beginning in August, the Dems have a chance to galvanize the electorate if the electorate(other than the Trump cult)really want to see youth and enthusiasm for the future, rather than Trump’s dystopian message.

 

[str8line]

My sister mentioned to me yesterday, she could not remember where she read it, but the more I thought about it the more I saw the potential merit: “Which ever party nominates someone different, will win the election”. This belief would derive from this fact: many Americans do not want to see another Biden-Trump race. Nominate someone younger, put together a new ticket, and the Democrats could gain momentum, not lose the 2024 election. Even with such a short time to campaign an all new ticket, the excitement could work, and work well, in this most unusual election cycle:

Every Democrat Other Than Joe Biden Is Unburdened by What Has Been

As voters look for an option other than Biden or Trump, alternative Democratic leaders poll similarly or even better than Biden.

theintercept.com

From the Intercept article:

“Since the poll results come without any concentrated campaign by any of the officials, they can be read as a reflection of floors rather than ceilings for each of the alternative Democrats. Given mass voter discontent with the choice between Trump and Biden, the polling suggests that voters could readily get behind someone else.

A Reuters poll conducted as far back as January found that about half of Democrats and 75 percent of independents thought Biden should not run for president again; it also found that 31 percent of Republicans and 63 percent of independents said Trump shouldn’t run again. A NewsNation poll conducted around the same time found that 59 percent of Americans wouldn’t be enthusiastic about a Biden-Trump rematch. The trend has continued in recent polling: A post-debate USA Today poll found that 41 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of independents wanted Biden replaced, with 63 percent of independents wanting Trump replaced. A CBS poll similarly found nearly half of Democrats want Biden to step aside.

In the aftermath of the debate, a CNN poll found 75 percent of all voters thought Democrats would have a better chance at winning the election with someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket. It suggested Whitmer, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg were all doing slightly better than the presiden, with Harris within the margin of error of Trump. (Harris’s net-approval rating average is also 9 points better than Biden’s).

This polling suggests there are substantial numbers of disenchanted Democrats, independents, and even Republicans who could be enthused by an alternative, while those still standing by Biden are just as likely to support any Democratic alternative to Trump. A Democratic presidential campaign that’s been shedding support could instead be one that’s gaining momentum”.

Democratic operative Carville feels the same way:

James Carville Issues Blunt Plea To Democratic Donors About Ditching Biden

The longtime Democratic strategist reportedly warned donors what he’d do if “we don’t do something about this.”

www.huffpost.com

Kamala Harris’ massive edge for nomination:

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/04/kamala-harris-replace-biden-2024-election

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So, the argument is: what seems like a massive advantage for Trump post Biden debate debacle could be an advantage Democrats, if the “we don’t want Trump or Biden” motivates the electorate that much. The Republican convention will nominate Trump. Beginning in August, the Dems have a chance to galvanize the electorate if the electorate(other than the Trump cult)really want to see youth and enthusiasm for the future, rather than Trump’s dystopian message.

Yeah, no.

• Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), who chaired the House Jan. 6 committee, told Axios' Hans Nichols that Harris is "incredibly strong ... You can't say Biden has done a good job without saying she's done a good job." For her to be pushed aside from consideration, he said, "would be the kiss of death for the party."

 

[fishonjazz]

My sister mentioned to me yesterday, she could not remember where she read it, but the more I thought about it the more I saw the potential merit: “Which ever party nominates someone different, will win the election”. This belief would derive from this fact: many Americans do not want to see another Biden-Trump race. Nominate someone younger, put together a new ticket, and the Democrats could gain momentum, not lose the 2024 election. Even with such a short time to campaign an all new ticket, the excitement could work, and work well, in this most unusual election cycle:

Every Democrat Other Than Joe Biden Is Unburdened by What Has Been

As voters look for an option other than Biden or Trump, alternative Democratic leaders poll similarly or even better than Biden.

theintercept.com

From the Intercept article:

“Since the poll results come without any concentrated campaign by any of the officials, they can be read as a reflection of floors rather than ceilings for each of the alternative Democrats. Given mass voter discontent with the choice between Trump and Biden, the polling suggests that voters could readily get behind someone else.

A Reuters poll conducted as far back as January found that about half of Democrats and 75 percent of independents thought Biden should not run for president again; it also found that 31 percent of Republicans and 63 percent of independents said Trump shouldn’t run again. A NewsNation poll conducted around the same time found that 59 percent of Americans wouldn’t be enthusiastic about a Biden-Trump rematch. The trend has continued in recent polling: A post-debate USA Today poll found that 41 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of independents wanted Biden replaced, with 63 percent of independents wanting Trump replaced. A CBS poll similarly found nearly half of Democrats want Biden to step aside.

In the aftermath of the debate, a CNN poll found 75 percent of all voters thought Democrats would have a better chance at winning the election with someone other than Biden at the top of the ticket. It suggested Whitmer, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg were all doing slightly better than the presiden, with Harris within the margin of error of Trump. (Harris’s net-approval rating average is also 9 points better than Biden’s).

This polling suggests there are substantial numbers of disenchanted Democrats, independents, and even Republicans who could be enthused by an alternative, while those still standing by Biden are just as likely to support any Democratic alternative to Trump. A Democratic presidential campaign that’s been shedding support could instead be one that’s gaining momentum”.

Democratic operative Carville feels the same way:

James Carville Issues Blunt Plea To Democratic Donors About Ditching Biden

The longtime Democratic strategist reportedly warned donors what he’d do if “we don’t do something about this.”

www.huffpost.com

Kamala Harris’ massive edge for nomination:

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/04/kamala-harris-replace-biden-2024-election

————————————————————————————————

So, the argument is: what seems like a massive advantage for Trump post Biden debate debacle could be an advantage Democrats, if the “we don’t want Trump or Biden” motivates the electorate that much. The Republican convention will nominate Trump. Beginning in August, the Dems have a chance to galvanize the electorate if the electorate(other than the Trump cult)really want to see youth and enthusiasm for the future, rather than Trump’s dystopian message.

My response to this?: duh

I been saying this for a long long time

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[Sardines]

One thing that could really benefit Harris and Whitmer would be their ability to lean into the GOPs efforts to restrict the reproductive rights of women. That's a winning issue for the Dems all day long.