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NUMBERICA said:
This interpretation of the rule is exceedingly liberal. He dribbles, stops, and takes 4 steps. That's a travel in my - and most people's - book.

But I'm not complaining.
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His hand is on top of the ball the whole time. He never "stopped." Jordan often took four, five, six steps in between the ball hitting the floor. He kept his hand on the ball without grabbing it. It's not a travel. You don't stop dribbling until you lose the ability to dribble it. Not when the ball last hit the floor.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
He could still have put the ball legally on the floor since his hand was on top of the ball. He "picked up the dribble" when he put his left hand on it. One step afterward.
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No. Steps started being counted when he got the ball in his right hand. Otherwise, you could make as much steps as you could carrying the ball without formal signs of "carrying"
 
I agree with Jordan comment though. It is funny to feed him with his own medicine.
 
zbone said:
No. Steps started being counted when he got the ball in his right hand. Otherwise, you could make as much steps as you could carrying the ball without formal signs of "carrying"
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lol, so any stutter step is a travel. Laughs all around. Also, three steps running hard on the fast break with the ball is traveling. Gotcha.

Formal signs of carrying? Are you serious? Deron could have brought the ball to the floor instead of grasping it with his left hand and it would have been a legal dribble. That's why steps don't start until you CAN'T legally put the ball on the floor.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
lol, so any stutter step is a travel. Laughs all around. Also, three steps running hard on the fast break with the ball is traveling. Gotcha.

Formal signs of carrying? Are you serious? Deron could have brought the ball to the floor instead of grasping it with his left hand and it would have been a legal dribble. That's why steps don't start until you CAN'T legally put the ball on the floor.
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Alright. I'm taking my words back. In NBA it's not a travel. By FIBA it is.
The difference is in NBA 2 steps are counted after dribble ends. In FIBA it says you have to bounce the ball each 2 steps. Full stop.
 
zbone said:
Alright. I'm taking my words back. In NBA it's not a travel. By FIBA it is.
The difference is in NBA 2 steps are counted after dribble ends. In FIBA it says you have to bounce the ball each 2 steps. Full stop.
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Hmm, I'll have to find FIBA's rulebook to find the terminology. In the NBA, the terminology is "completing the dribble." Then you have two counts to do something with the ball.

https://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_10.html?nav=ArticleList

Section XIV-Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.
f. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player's hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
h. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
i. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline, nearest spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.
 
The relevant stuff from the FIBA rulebook:

www.fiba.com/asp_scripts/downMana.asp?fileID=1260

A dribble starts when a player, having gained control of a live ball on the playing court, throws, taps, rolls, dribbles it on the floor or deliberately throws it against the backboard and touches it again before it touches another player. A dribble ends when the player touches the ball with both hands simultaneously or permits the ball to come to rest in one or both hands. During a dribble the ball may be thrown into the air provided the ball touches the floor or another player before the player who threw it touches it again with his hand. There is no limit to the number of steps a player may take when the ball is not in contact with his hand.


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And here's the NBA definition of ending a dribble:

https://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_4.html?nav=ArticleList

Section III-Dribble
A dribble is movement of the ball, caused by a player in control, who throws or taps the ball into the air or to the floor.
a. The dribble ends when the dribbler:
(1) Touches the ball simultaneously with both hands
(2) Permits the ball to come to rest while he is in control of it
(3) Tries for a field goal
(4) Throws a pass
(5) Touches the ball more than once while dribbling, before it touches the floor
(6) Loses control
(7) Allows the ball to become dead
 
So Deron after all travelled because he definately "Permitted the ball to come to rest while he is in control of it" (c)NBA and "permitted the ball to come to rest in one or both hands"(c)FIBA
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I'd argue it wasn't at rest. Ball was always moving except the small time the ball is at its apogee.
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I'm with you on this. I saw the comments on youtube and watched a few times. Not a travel in my book.
 
If I want, I can bounce the ball (high), run 10 steps into the backcourt to git my lost shoe, run back 10 steps after the ball has bounced a few times, and keep on dribblin. Aint no travel. I can't see why anyone would think this was a travel to begin with.

Good sig there, btw, eh, Game?
 
Deron involved with the quick score, the steal, then the game-winner. After the game I think Sloan should've ran out and hugged him on the court and said "Oh my gosh that was beautiful! What a finish!"
 
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