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Jew's Blues?
Why aint they no blues thread?
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Hopper
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True dat, Mo. Them jewboys, they ROCK, eh!? They writ many a classic tune, such as Hound Dog, first for Big Mama Thorton, later covered by Elvis. They did some fun stuff for the immortal Coasters (perhaps best known for "Charlie Brown) includin "Youngblood" (also covered by the Beatles) and "Yakety Yak" both included below just because they so great, even if they are off some scratchy old-*** 45, and all, ya know?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgX3a6ApQbs
"Takes out dem paypas an dat trash....er yo *** don't git no spendin cash"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHB3Rbz1OI
Hopper
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Thanks, eh, Clutch? Good ta see yo perv *** agin, ya know? I aint zakly back, er nuthin. I don't plan on postin no mo round this here joint, except in this here blues thread, cause I likes blues and all. They probably aint more than 4-5 peoples who pay no attention to this here thread. If the admins start comin round, I won't post here no mo neither (that probably assures that they will, but, whatcha gunna do, eh?).
Hopper
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Actually, it wuz 3 tunes, eh, Mo, and I aint seen your answers yet. Yo gunna flunk that there quiz if ya don't haul off and spills it soon--I will just post the answers, and won't nobuddy care neither way.
Howze bout the resta yawl (all 3 of yuns)? Blood, ya gunna flunk by default, that it?
Hopper
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Kinda funny how everythang kinda goes round in circles, eh, Mo? A couple posts back we wuz talkin bout Chockamo (Ike, Ike) and Larry Wlliams' name got brought up as coverin the old Sugar Boy Crawford tune. I don't know if ya seen it, but in the Sugar Boy interview, he said he wuz just imitatin Lloyd Price, who took a common street phrase from Nawlinz (Lawdy, Miss Clawdy) and made a tune out of it:
Sugar Boy said:
Then Elvis covers that tune (and many other blues hits) and we off to the races. To his credit, unlike that butcher, Pat Boone, at least Elvis didn't screw up the tunes--he sung them just like they was writ. Lloyd Price also took traditional old blues/ballads, like Stagger Lee (done by old bluesman Mississippi John Hurt, among others), and made popular versions out of them in the 50's. The Kansas City song wuz first (before Fats and many others) recorded, and was a big hit for, the great Wilbert Harrison, who also covered Stagger Lee (as did the Isley Brothers, Ike and Tina, Bob Dylan, and many others). Here's Wilbert, with his laid back style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAmDxxLV_vw
In that interview, Crawford also says this about the "Indian" (blacks dressed up like indians at Mardi Gras) tribes in Nawlinz:
Sugar Boy said:
Interestingly enough, in a recent movie (called "Black Snake Moan"--also the name of an old, much-covered, Blind Lemon Jefferson tune) the actor Samuel Jackson performs a blues tune, loosely based on the Stagger Lee legend, which mentions the "bucket of blood," too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpSA5Il9i4E
Aint nuthin but one big-*** circle, see?
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While on this topic, here's a little discourse on the Delta blues by Samuel Jackson and others. I've seen it claimed that the flick "Black Snake Moan" is kinda based on the life of R. L. Burnside (already posted several times in this thread), but I dunno. Also that R. L.'s grandson is playin drums in these clips, which include Jackson singin Muddy Waters toons (and others). Kinda intristin, I thought, anywaze:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcv79wINlAc&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcv79wINlAc&feature=related
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Ya know, alla dat talk bout Sugar Boy and Chockamo, and it just hit me that I never even posted the original (and best) version from 1953 by Sugar Boy his own damn self. Here it is, muddy sax, and all. He don't talk bout "Grandmas," but "spy boys." Every tribe had a spy boy who would proceed a block or two in front of the main tribe, on the lookout for rival tribes and such. When he seen one, he would signal back, so they all knew to prepare for battle. Each tribe had it's own colors and insignia (flag) which their "flag boy" toted as they went--hence the reference to settin yo flag on fia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iQeWTP3L6c
Now, tell me the Dixie Cups (from Nawlinz they own sefz) writ that tune like they claimed, tryin to take money outta Sugar Boy's pockets, eh? The lyin bitches still takin half the royalties and were later found in a court of law to be the "sole writers" of Iko, because Sugar Boy just settled with them, rather than fight them in court forever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iQeWTP3L6c
Now, tell me the Dixie Cups (from Nawlinz they own sefz) writ that tune like they claimed, tryin to take money outta Sugar Boy's pockets, eh? The lyin bitches still takin half the royalties and were later found in a court of law to be the "sole writers" of Iko, because Sugar Boy just settled with them, rather than fight them in court forever.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1nbvplgElw
Am I doing it right?
Am I doing it right?
Hopper
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Aint zakly no blues, Clutch, but anythang what's done been done (1) in black and white, and (2) gotz HOT BABEZ innit done been done right, I figure!
Hopper
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Blues, it purty, eh?
Some guy in that Sammy Jackson clip done said da blues aint purty. That aint 100% true, ya know? Take this here Elmore James toon, for example. Who gunna say that aint purty, I ax ya?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBA2REoRD98
I genrly saings dat fine-*** tune ta my wimminz when they gitz all kinda pissed off at me over nuthin, eh? Then I sez: "Cmon ovva here, Sweet Thang, and gives yo Daddy some sugar, eh?" Then, most times, anywaze, they try to go upside my head wit a fryin pan.
Some guy in that Sammy Jackson clip done said da blues aint purty. That aint 100% true, ya know? Take this here Elmore James toon, for example. Who gunna say that aint purty, I ax ya?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBA2REoRD98
I genrly saings dat fine-*** tune ta my wimminz when they gitz all kinda pissed off at me over nuthin, eh? Then I sez: "Cmon ovva here, Sweet Thang, and gives yo Daddy some sugar, eh?" Then, most times, anywaze, they try to go upside my head wit a fryin pan.
ok, first one is GMLSG
the next two sound sorta similar to each other, either one sounds like it might be the songs I mentioned above - Lawdy Miss Clawdy and/or Dizzy Miss Lizzie.
But I dunno, the more I listen to these, the more they just all sorta sound the same.
at any rate, youtube is working fine for me, though the videos in this thread seem to take quite a while to load
the next two sound sorta similar to each other, either one sounds like it might be the songs I mentioned above - Lawdy Miss Clawdy and/or Dizzy Miss Lizzie.
But I dunno, the more I listen to these, the more they just all sorta sound the same.
at any rate, youtube is working fine for me, though the videos in this thread seem to take quite a while to load
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Thanks for the info, Mo. I aint knowwin nuthin bout no computers. It wasn't workin for me, but once ya done tole me youtube workin for you, I started playin round a little. I aint got no clue if "java" has anything to do with vids, but I installed an update, and suddenly it's workin again.
Mo, I won't say yet you're right or wrong on your quiz yet, just in case Blood knows and wants to say. He said he aint been followin the thread, so I dunno if he wants to try yet or not. But I will say this: Ya gotta give one answer, not a bunch. I understand what you mean by your first answer, but the second one is just too iffy. If they all sound the same, mebbe ya should autta listen more harder, know what I'm sayin?
Thanks to you too, Blood, for bein willin to help. I guess I gotz it fixed now, though.
Anybuddy else gunna play? Ya caint win no prize if ya don't even try. It aint like yo gamblin er nuthin, ya know?
Hopper
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Born with the Bllues
Brownie McGhee tells the story, and he aint lyin, neither:
"My definition of the blues is ‘truth’. Man being true to himself and being true to his listeners when he’s performing or singing any song that people consider the blues…Just being honest with yourself as you tell your stories past and present with a smile on your face. I’m not ashamed of my past, that’s why I say blues is truth, because I tell it like it is. I don’t mess it up at all. Blues is my life, my living, my joy, my everything. And I can live with it." —Brownie McGhee
I done writ some stuff bout Brownie and Sonny already. Case ya clean forgot, Brownie had polio as a chile, and his brother, Sticks McGhee, used to push him around Kingston, Tennessee with a stick (hence the name "Sticks"). With the help of the March of Dimes, he got an operation that restored most of his mobility when he was 19, although he had a noticable limp all his life. That's when he hit the road, without a dime. He survived by hustlin, gamblin, and playin the blues as he walked his way east to North Carolina. That's where he met the legendary Blind Boy Fuller, and they travelled together for a couple years, until Fuller died. He had met Sonny Terry through Fuller and they teamed up after that, eventually ending up in Harlem. Probably the greatest blues duo that ever lived.
I talked to Brownie, sittin at a bar,for about an hour once. He and Sonny were playin later that night, and I got there early. Brownie liked his liquor so much that he would even buy every third round or so. A very honest, articulate and interesting character. Needless to say, also a great performer, who acted Broadway plays and in several movies, such as "Angel Heart" with De Niro, Mickey Rourke, and Lisa Bonet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nXP8bvUiBo&feature=related
Brownie McGhee tells the story, and he aint lyin, neither:
"My definition of the blues is ‘truth’. Man being true to himself and being true to his listeners when he’s performing or singing any song that people consider the blues…Just being honest with yourself as you tell your stories past and present with a smile on your face. I’m not ashamed of my past, that’s why I say blues is truth, because I tell it like it is. I don’t mess it up at all. Blues is my life, my living, my joy, my everything. And I can live with it." —Brownie McGhee
I done writ some stuff bout Brownie and Sonny already. Case ya clean forgot, Brownie had polio as a chile, and his brother, Sticks McGhee, used to push him around Kingston, Tennessee with a stick (hence the name "Sticks"). With the help of the March of Dimes, he got an operation that restored most of his mobility when he was 19, although he had a noticable limp all his life. That's when he hit the road, without a dime. He survived by hustlin, gamblin, and playin the blues as he walked his way east to North Carolina. That's where he met the legendary Blind Boy Fuller, and they travelled together for a couple years, until Fuller died. He had met Sonny Terry through Fuller and they teamed up after that, eventually ending up in Harlem. Probably the greatest blues duo that ever lived.
I talked to Brownie, sittin at a bar,for about an hour once. He and Sonny were playin later that night, and I got there early. Brownie liked his liquor so much that he would even buy every third round or so. A very honest, articulate and interesting character. Needless to say, also a great performer, who acted Broadway plays and in several movies, such as "Angel Heart" with De Niro, Mickey Rourke, and Lisa Bonet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nXP8bvUiBo&feature=related
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Brownie was multi-talented, ya know? In the tradition of Robert Johnson and his "Terraplane Blues," Brownie took to fixin up cars in his spare time, mainly just for the fun of it all, if ya catch my drift. This here tune is from around 1947, about the same time his brother, Sticks, was changin the lyrics to his tune, "Drinkin Wine, Spo-dee-o-dee," to make it recordable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETcsYKNflI&feature=related
"When I git to grindin yo valves...you be ready to ride some mo...."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dETcsYKNflI&feature=related
"When I git to grindin yo valves...you be ready to ride some mo...."
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Hopper
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Well, Blood, that's a big flag right there, eh? Mo, she knowwed it, and they wasn't no doubt to her. She even give ya a clue, but ya done missed it.
Partial credit here. Yeah, Key to the highway is a Big Bill tune, sho nuff. And, it's a eight-bar blues, so they kinda the same in that respect (most old blues is 12-bar). Aint the tune though, sorry. Mo didn't gitz it neither, so...
Hmmm, ya think? Lemme study on that one. Aint the right answer, though, cause I sez it aint, see? Actually, I will take a little time to explain my "right" answers, and if ya aint convinced, well, then, I spoze we can argue for a good long spell, eh?
If I tole ya that, Blood, then I would have to kill ya. Mo aint knowin neither, but everybuddy and his brother knows the perv, I can garontee ya that.
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Answer # 1
Ya knows damn well this aint gunna be no short-*** answer, cause homey don't play dat. Hmmm, where to start?
Memphis Minnie done her chaffeur tune in 1941. But in 1937, Sonny Boy Williamson (the first--even in this video they confuse him with Rice Miller, with a picture of the "second" Sonny Boy in his Derby hat). Don't git me wrong, Rice Miller, who stold Sonny Boy's name because Sonny Boy was big, was himself one of the great harp players of the blues. I done pasted up a couple of his tunes (Don't start me to talkin, and Eyesight to the Blind), so ya knows that if ya reads this here thread. But the first Sonny Boy is the one singin (and stealin his self, while doin it) about Jackson in the quiz. I seen a short bio on him at youtube, and I'll probably post it here sometime.
But, back to the point. Sonny's boy tune from 1937 is a classic and has been recorded by damn near everyone. A "short" list of artists covering the tune would include: Muddy Waters, the second Sonny Boy, the Allman brothers, Chuck Berry, Greatful Dead, Jimi Hendrix, Van Morrison, Ten Years After, The Yardbirds (with Clapton, Jimmy Page, and them), Buddy Guy, Rod Stewart, and Stevie Ray Vaughn. I don't think Dylan covered this tune, but like Memphis Minnie, he can certainly be accused of stealing the main elements in his song "Obviously 5 believers" on his Blonde on Blonde album. Thing is, every cover I've heard is purty much just like Sonny Boy's original. That's why I said ya flagged it bigtime, eh, Blood? If ya aint knowin this tune, then ya would think ya aint NEVER heard no blues before.
Sonny Boy was the first Bluesman to turn the harp into a lead instrument, and he done it with a style that set the tone for all who followed (Junior Wells, Little Walter, you name the guy, he learned from Sonny Boy-directly or indirectly). Sonny Terry might be an exception, because he deleveoped his own country "piedmont" style entertainin crowds by gittin up on stage at tobacco auctions between sales rounds in North Carolina and whoopin up a storm.
So, what is there here tune? Well, this here one, of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj293l5w2MU&feature=related
Minnie stold the tune, but wasn't nobuddy really complainin. They didn't git no royalties back then, mebbe just a bottle of whiskey for a few tunes.
The picture here is John Lee Williamson, but the first pic in the vid aint. It's Rice Miller. Rice Miller took to wearin a derby hat and carryin a cane when he spent a lot of time in England in his later years because he was so popular there--I think they officially gave him the title of "Sir" Sonny Boy Williamson.
Ya knows damn well this aint gunna be no short-*** answer, cause homey don't play dat. Hmmm, where to start?
Memphis Minnie done her chaffeur tune in 1941. But in 1937, Sonny Boy Williamson (the first--even in this video they confuse him with Rice Miller, with a picture of the "second" Sonny Boy in his Derby hat). Don't git me wrong, Rice Miller, who stold Sonny Boy's name because Sonny Boy was big, was himself one of the great harp players of the blues. I done pasted up a couple of his tunes (Don't start me to talkin, and Eyesight to the Blind), so ya knows that if ya reads this here thread. But the first Sonny Boy is the one singin (and stealin his self, while doin it) about Jackson in the quiz. I seen a short bio on him at youtube, and I'll probably post it here sometime.
But, back to the point. Sonny's boy tune from 1937 is a classic and has been recorded by damn near everyone. A "short" list of artists covering the tune would include: Muddy Waters, the second Sonny Boy, the Allman brothers, Chuck Berry, Greatful Dead, Jimi Hendrix, Van Morrison, Ten Years After, The Yardbirds (with Clapton, Jimmy Page, and them), Buddy Guy, Rod Stewart, and Stevie Ray Vaughn. I don't think Dylan covered this tune, but like Memphis Minnie, he can certainly be accused of stealing the main elements in his song "Obviously 5 believers" on his Blonde on Blonde album. Thing is, every cover I've heard is purty much just like Sonny Boy's original. That's why I said ya flagged it bigtime, eh, Blood? If ya aint knowin this tune, then ya would think ya aint NEVER heard no blues before.
Sonny Boy was the first Bluesman to turn the harp into a lead instrument, and he done it with a style that set the tone for all who followed (Junior Wells, Little Walter, you name the guy, he learned from Sonny Boy-directly or indirectly). Sonny Terry might be an exception, because he deleveoped his own country "piedmont" style entertainin crowds by gittin up on stage at tobacco auctions between sales rounds in North Carolina and whoopin up a storm.
So, what is there here tune? Well, this here one, of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj293l5w2MU&feature=related
Minnie stold the tune, but wasn't nobuddy really complainin. They didn't git no royalties back then, mebbe just a bottle of whiskey for a few tunes.
The picture here is John Lee Williamson, but the first pic in the vid aint. It's Rice Miller. Rice Miller took to wearin a derby hat and carryin a cane when he spent a lot of time in England in his later years because he was so popular there--I think they officially gave him the title of "Sir" Sonny Boy Williamson.
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Answer #2 Big Bill stealin from the Sheiks
Back on page three of this here thread, I posted a vid of Howlin Wolf doin "Sittin on top of the world." There I said"
Later I put up some Bo Carter/Mississippi sheiks tunes from the 1920's (Pig Meat Papa, and Corrina, Corrina). Wolf's version was done in the 50's, with some heavy harp and at a slower pace than the tune is often played. And it has been played a lot; from Dizzy Gillespie, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Doris Day to Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, Brownie and Sonny, Ray Charles and John Lee Hooker, to Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Bill Monroe, to Bob Dylan, Greatful Dead, Cream, and Van Morrison. Each artist may do it a little differently, but to me the chord changes and melody is purty unmistakeable, and Big Bill stold it for his "worryin" tune, aint no question. Here's the Sheiks original version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqeW7-tmVU4
If ya listen to that, then go back to Big Bill's tune, I think yawl will agree.
Back on page three of this here thread, I posted a vid of Howlin Wolf doin "Sittin on top of the world." There I said"
Hopper said:
Later I put up some Bo Carter/Mississippi sheiks tunes from the 1920's (Pig Meat Papa, and Corrina, Corrina). Wolf's version was done in the 50's, with some heavy harp and at a slower pace than the tune is often played. And it has been played a lot; from Dizzy Gillespie, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, and Doris Day to Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, Brownie and Sonny, Ray Charles and John Lee Hooker, to Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, and Bill Monroe, to Bob Dylan, Greatful Dead, Cream, and Van Morrison. Each artist may do it a little differently, but to me the chord changes and melody is purty unmistakeable, and Big Bill stold it for his "worryin" tune, aint no question. Here's the Sheiks original version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqeW7-tmVU4
If ya listen to that, then go back to Big Bill's tune, I think yawl will agree.