WHY didn't we waive Davis, Bradley and Tucker?

[homeytennis]

It seems to me it would have been much easier to do this before the draft, we save ourselves the 2nd round draft picks we have to give in trades. What am I missing here? Did the Jazz not want to pay the three's guaranteed salaries? If that's the case why didn't we just sell off our first round pick for cash?

 

[jom2003]

not to mention each second round pick nowadays cost...nearly 1-2 mil each? somebody fill me in on this. how much would it cost to buy yourself a pick in the 30s or 40s in 2020. what about 2027? we gave away 5 second round picks that could potentially cost us tens of millions of $ down the road. we paid more than we saved

 

[Game6Conley]

not to mention each second round pick nowadays cost...nearly 1-2 mil each? somebody fill me in on this. how much would it cost to buy yourself a pick in the 30s or 40s in 2020. what about 2027? we gave away 5 second round picks that could potentially cost us tens of millions of $ down the road. we paid more than we saved

About $4,500,000....


So I think that answer sort of solves the mystery of this thread...

 

[jom2003]

guys keep saying it's easy to buy picks. easy... how? we tried to buy ourselves back into the draft in 2016 and 2019 and ended up with 4 picks in the late 50s because we couldn't afford these picks in higher spot. it certainly wasn't easy.

and jazz could be going into rebuild as early as 2022 and those picks may end up being in the 40s or even 30s.

and ridiculously enough, these moves to offload Ed Tony and Tucker didn't even get us out of tax this year. we will likely have to cut even more guys and go into a COVID season with 12 players to completely get under the tax

 

[jom2003]

About $4,500,000....


So I think that answer sort of solves the mystery of this thread..

yep, 7 years ago we bought a first round pick to draft rudy no problem. and look where we are now.

who knows how much our second round pick could worth by 2027. it could be 5mil worth of $ that we just gifted the cavs, all due to DL's eagerness to save 300k right now

 

[KqWIN]

It looks like they're trying to dodge the tax altogether this season, which wouldn't have big $ implications...but it will when the repeater tax hits. They spent $3.2M to buy Hughes, so it's not like they're skimping on short term money. Looks like a cap function/repeater tax issue.

Still looks unlikely that they'll be able to do it however, so I suspect another trade is in the works. Going into the off-season, I would have been shocked if you told me Conley or Gobert was being traded....but those two seem like the only potential candidates.

 

[Game6Conley]

yep, 7 years ago we bought a first round pick to draft rudy no problem. and look where we are now.

who knows how much our second round pick could worth by 2027. it could be 5mil worth of $ that we just gifted the cavs, all due to DL's eagerness to save 300k right now

You can thank teams like the Heat. The more undrafted gems teams like that are able to bring to the playoffs to contribute, the more all the other teams are gonna invest into those later stages of the draft to try and flag down the talent before it hits the udfa pool..

 

[jom2003]

It looks like they're trying to dodge the tax altogether this season, which wouldn't have big $ implications...but it will when the repeater tax hits.

Still looks unlikely that they'll be able to do it however, so I suspect another trade is in the works. Going into the off-season, I would have been shocked if you told me Conley or Gobert was being traded....but those two seem like the only potential candidates.

i wouldn't worry about repeater tax given how this team is currently structured. we currently have no potential candidate on this team who will take on Bojan/Joe's salary when their deal expire. DM will absorb Conley's money but that's about it. rudy might demand the supermax but we are ****ed either way when that happens.

 

[KqWIN]

i wouldn't worry about repeater tax given how this team is currently structured. we currently have no potential candidate on this team who will take on Bojan/Joe's salary when their deal expire. DM will absorb Conley's money but that's about it. rudy might demand the supermax but we are ****ed either way when that happens.

We're a tax team going forward....just depends on if we start now or later. Unless you're literally expecting the Jazz to replace every expiring contract with a minimum guy. That's not happening.

The earlier moves appeared to be a move to dodge the apron, which made sense. The Jazz would have gotten close to the hard cap without dumping Davis and Bradley.

This recent move signals something more to come. Either a move to get under the tax, a move that would bring the Jazz close to the hard cap again, or maybe it's actually a top 55 second round pick and it's a huge nothing burger. The money saved on the Tucker deal is likely less than they gave out, so it's a cap function.

 

[homeytennis]

I was looking at Tucker and Hughes last year college stats. Basically a wash. Have we added anything? Have we gotten better our draft pick vs. Davis and Bradley? Then again we told Willie Reed and George King to get lost because we have Oni and Bradley. We'll see but the logic mystifies me.

 

[jom2003]

We're a tax team going forward....just depends on if we start now or later. Unless you're literally expecting the Jazz to replace every expiring contract with a minimum guy. That's not happening.

one rudy trade and this whole thing could change. and pretty sure we don't have to replace bojan/joe, who will be making a combined 34mil in 2022, with min guys to get under the tax.

 

[Eminence]

It looks like they're trying to dodge the tax altogether this season, which wouldn't have big $ implications...but it will when the repeater tax hits. They spent $3.2M to buy Hughes, so it's not like they're skimping on short term money. Looks like a cap function/repeater tax issue.

Still looks unlikely that they'll be able to do it however, so I suspect another trade is in the works. Going into the off-season, I would have been shocked if you told me Conley or Gobert was being traded....but those two seem like the only potential candidates.

Damn well better be Conley if it happens, trading Gobert would defeat the entire purpose of being a tax team (contending).

 

[infection]

 

[KqWIN]

Otto Porter Jr. is perfect, I'll say it till I die. Perfect money wise to use BAE to find another backup guard and stay below the tax.

 

[homeytennis]

Maybe this makes sense if the Jazz are planning to add Batum and Elie Okobo guard who was the 1st player drafted in the 2nd round in 2018. It would give Rudy a couple of guys to speak French with. Okobo was let go by the Suns earlier this week.

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[infection]

Maybe this makes sense if the Jazz are planning to add Batum and Elie Okobo guard who was the 1st player drafted in the 2nd round in 2018. It would give Rudy a couple of guys to speak French with. Okobo was let go by the Suns earlier this week.

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[Ujfanatic]

Otto Porter Jr. is perfect, I'll say it till I die. Perfect money wise to use BAE to find another backup guard and stay below the tax.

It always cracks me up how strong of basketball crushes people form with “untapped potential” players. Not saying it never happens, but it is a pretty short list of players who “break out” in their 7th year in the league. OPJ has never averaged more than 15ppg. For all our talk about Rudy’s awful offense, his scoring has been pretty similar to
OPJ each year they have been in the league, with Rudy scoring more each of the last two
years. For what it’s worth, Mike Conley has scored more ppg each year of OPJ’s career as well.

 

[stitches]

It always cracks me up how strong of basketball crushes people form with “untapped potential” players. Not saying it never happens, but it is a pretty short list of players who “break out” in their 7th year in the league. OPJ has never averaged more than 15ppg. For all our talk about Rudy’s awful offense, his scoring has been pretty similar to
OPJ each year they have been in the league, with Rudy scoring more each of the last two
years. For what it’s worth, Mike Conley has scored more ppg each year of OPJ’s career as well.

The thing is... OPJ actually kind of tapped some of his potential for a short while on his way out of Washington. If we believe we can get him back to that level, this type of trade makes a lot of sense. We don't need him to average more than 15ppg. We need him to be good off-ball offensively(catch and shoot 3, cuts, etc.) and to defend bigger wings and forwards defensively. We already have enough players that are best with ball in their hands.

 

[infection]

It always cracks me up how strong of basketball crushes people form with “untapped potential” players. Not saying it never happens, but it is a pretty short list of players who “break out” in their 7th year in the league. OPJ has never averaged more than 15ppg. For all our talk about Rudy’s awful offense, his scoring has been pretty similar to
OPJ each year they have been in the league, with Rudy scoring more each of the last two
years. For what it’s worth, Mike Conley has scored more ppg each year of OPJ’s career as well.

Nobody is suggesting OPJ to hit a higher ceiling. All of us who want him want him for exactly who he is: a big wing who can guard 2-4, is a good defender (better than anyone on our team), does not need the ball in his hands, but spaces the floor because he has a career three point percentage > than 40%. He’s a guy who can close games.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm the original opjr guy here. I don't think he's a good fit anymore. If the Jazz did trade Conley they would have to get a starting caliber primary or secondary ball handler back.