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I think this is his time for discussion between manager and agent yes? Why I do not here news?
Why does Enes not recieve contract?
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I have been wondering when negotiations with enes and alec can begin.
has that time already started?
has that time already started?
There are several precedents that matter: Hayward, Monroe and Bledsoe.
How much do you think the Bledsoe/ Monroe situation will be on the minds of Burks/ Kanter?
Will Kanter/ Burks take "the bird in hand" (say, a $8MM per year offer from the Jazz) or risk free agency and getting stuck in no man's land when teams are out of money after signing top-shelf free agents?
There was a lot of chance in the Hayward contract. If Charlotte would have gone after Stevenson as a primary target, and Cleveland obviously getting Lebron, what other team would have offered him close to a minimax? Hayward was in the right place at the right time, and everybody knows it, including Lindsay, Andy Miller (Burks agent), Max Ergul (Kanter's agent).
Their agents will be playing some game theory with dollars available versus dollars burnt on other signings. Haywards agent played this beautifully, and they got a bit lucky, but next year's game will be different, no doubt.
If they roll the dice, the market will decide their value.
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Ellipse
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Nice perspective. But the surprise is that there hasn't been even a whisper of negotiations under way. My understanding is that extensions must be signed before the season starts.
Hotdog
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I like how the Jazz sit a player on the bench all the way up until its time to do contract negotiations. This is either really stupid because it can make you unsure on what to offer, or its really smart because it holds the players value down so you can get him on the cheap.
D will, a k. Gordon, favors, enes, Burks? Who?
except this doesn't happen.
I used to love the JFan appreciation for "earn it". Now I don't know who I loathe more: you sissy assed entitlement pooches or Corbin's play teh vets that enabled you. Grow a pair and get over it ... everyone got a shot last season, dumbass.
Hotdog
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but even if they don't earn it, pay them anyways, right?
Does my opinion write the checks?
Dumbass
try to keep up.
I think every player should get the max because Hayward Precedent that's all that matters and the players and agents and management knows it omg it's inevitable why don't we sign everyone to max right now to avoid next year's higher max contract and save money that isn't ours omg lol haha.
I also think Hack's pair is growing inside his mouth.
But why would that not be the case? I don't think most people behave with much more loyalty to their companies, or maybe I'm just jaded. I guess this isn't about loyalty, it's just reality. I think so, anyway.
But I get that conjecture is ****.
The point I was making with my mockery is that the people involved aren't bat **** crazy like the trollsters here make them out to be. Suggesting Burks anywhere near the max outside of the very small Jazz blogosphere would get you laughed off stage. Even a $12mm contract would bring a collective WTF (to those who price in future salary cap ramifications).
Also, Burks' style of play is prone to blowing out two knees, and banking $40 million guaranteed is no chump change. Steph Curry did it; best contract in the league by far. Burks should salivate over a deal like $10mm per. If nothing else, it would allow him to splurge that squirreled away rookie minimum on a Bentley and some Southern Exposure sluts.
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Agree.
I think there is virtually no chance Kanter and Burks re-sign before the season.
1. Kanter's value is extremely low. He's viewed as a poor defending sub. And he is coming off an injury. What do you offer him if you're Dennis Lindsey? A contract equal to Booker? And if you're Kanter or his agent do you accept? Does Dennis go up to $8M, $10M, a contract equal to Favors? Certainly IF Kanter breaks out as a starter, then 4/$48M would be a bargain. But what if he has a repeat of last year? Then the Jazz are stuck with an overpaid sub. Better to let him play his way into a contract.
2. Burks likely wants Hayward-type money. Second leading scorer, playing 8 fewer minutes. And his percentages were >>> Hayward. Additionally, he's likely going to want to be a starter and get paid like one. He'll test the market; he would be an idiot not to.
Your posts are usually solid but this one has me puzzled. Do you really think the Hayward contract is the only relevant information? Context, available dollars, other party's needs, incremental dollars on the line.... many factors.
It is a pretty freakin complicated calculus and high stakes poker. If Burks has the chance to sign for 5 years and $35MM bird in hand versus the possibility of a 3 year $63MM, are you willing to gamble for the incremental $28MM, when the risk is you may have no choice but to (a) take the qualifying offer; or (b) negotiate with the Jazz with less leverage after the market dries up and sign for less.
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