MVP
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous example... Shaq was bigger, better leaper and quicker then Enes. He could dunk over anybody and with somebody hanging on his hands.
Why Enes gets blocked so much
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous example... Shaq was bigger, better leaper and quicker then Enes. He could dunk over anybody and with somebody hanging on his hands.
NAOS
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I know English isn't your first language... I suggest you read the post again.
MVP
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Whats there to read? I suggested that he needs to watch old Malone ( after 1999 ) videos where despite limited juping ability and explosiveness Malone was still good for easy layups and getting to FT line at will just mastering how to use his strong body, pump fakes and proper post play.
Franklin said Kanter should forget Malone stuff and model his game after "big and slow" Shaq. Sorry that is ridiculous.
*franklin
I never said "slow and strong Shaq".
Your point about Malone is a good one and receives franklin's seal of approval. Let's forget an inside game for Kanter and shoot for the moon with a slow, declining outside shooting scheme. I'd rather have a strong low post presence, but whatever, forget Shaq.
MVP
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ok big and slow.
Brown Notes
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It's true that Malone played below the rim better than anyone I have ever seen since but also I doubt Kanter will ever have that killer faceup game or turnaround fade. Even without his explosiveness Karl was quicker than Enes will ever be.
Bump bump move/pass will be his B&B and that is basically what Franklin is describing.
You're deriving Shaq from this quote about Kanter:
Back on point, I think Kanter could have a similar move to the middle that Shaq had. Bump the defender back onto his heels, jump step into the lane, shoot high right hook/push. This is hard for smaller, less powerful double teaming players to block. Kanter's elbows and overall size would be a deterrent. Do you disagree with this about Kanter?
I also think Kanter can spin baseline and hip push defenders out of his way. Refs allow it and it isolates out the help defense. Do you disagree with this for Kanter?
Here's a video of Malone in 1999. He's way more agile than Kanter projects to ever be. Malone could bump elevate over defenders. Kanter is too slow and lacks the leaping ability or body agility to get this shot off. I think he needs one more step towards the middle or basket before shooting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhHf2CPsglE
Watch how Shaq uses his legs and body to contr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fkq7NzglTQ
And here with the bump then move to the middle. Watch that long stride to move into position while using his back to seal away both the off balance defender and Mike Bibby. Shaq was old, slow, and broken, but still used the tools he had left for a high quality shot--footwork and size.
[url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkuse353dWk[/url]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fkq7NzglTQ
And here with the bump then move to the middle. Watch that long stride to move into position while using his back to seal away both the off balance defender and Mike Bibby. Shaq was old, slow, and broken, but still used the tools he had left for a high quality shot--footwork and size.
[url[/MEDIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkuse353dWk[/url]
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Listened to Kanter's interview yesterday. He definitely has a good attitude. But if you don't have the tools, hard work will only get you so far. A slow big man who can't jump is like a point guard without quickness or speed. It's the equivalent of Ahearn who can shoot but can't do much else as a point guard. I doubt Ahearn will ever stick in the NBA, but since big men are such a premium, Enes is likely to be a career, third-string backup.
jazzfan1971
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Man, it's been a long time since the Jazz have been fun to watch.
Kanter could do worse than to try to copy the play of both Shaq and Malone. Let him work on all those moves. Maybe he will never get some, so that means he shouldn't try?
If he had to pick one prototype, he's got a better chance of improving his quickness to become more like Malone, than to grow taller to be more like Shaq, although Franklin seems to have put some thought into this, so maybe he is on to something.
I'd also like to see Kanter start raining 3s like Lambeer, and when he is under the basket, learn when to move into the contact, not always trying to avoid it on the shot, take the hit and finish through it, and maybe do more with just one hand , like others have said.
If he had to pick one prototype, he's got a better chance of improving his quickness to become more like Malone, than to grow taller to be more like Shaq, although Franklin seems to have put some thought into this, so maybe he is on to something.
I'd also like to see Kanter start raining 3s like Lambeer, and when he is under the basket, learn when to move into the contact, not always trying to avoid it on the shot, take the hit and finish through it, and maybe do more with just one hand , like others have said.
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Brown Notes
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Enes Kanter and DeAndre Jordan have the exact same no step vert according to DX. 26". 2.5" better than Cousins. Please explain how those guys are held back by an inability to jump.
Jumping speed. Jordan can get up very quickly and Cousins is a giant.
TheSilencer1313
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You can block Kanter all day.... but that doesn't stop him from getting the rebound, pushing you out of the way, and putting it back up in your face.
Brown Notes
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Reach is what makes those guys effective. Some of the best possible defensive plays by a C are made without leaving their feet.
Cousins and Jordan have huge wingspans. Enes is giving up about 4" to those two. Cousins isn't any stronger than Enes, just fatter and has longer arms. Cousins in any event is not relying on his ability to jump. Tim Duncan comes to mind as well. That dude never was a leaper.
Point being that Write4u is premature to give up on a C project simply by assuming he is crippled with a supposed lack of explosiveness.
Cousins and Jordan have huge wingspans. Enes is giving up about 4" to those two. Cousins isn't any stronger than Enes, just fatter and has longer arms. Cousins in any event is not relying on his ability to jump. Tim Duncan comes to mind as well. That dude never was a leaper.
Point being that Write4u is premature to give up on a C project simply by assuming he is crippled with a supposed lack of explosiveness.
Have you been watching the games? It stops him.
jimmy eat jazz
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Watching Kanter, I wonder whether he gets blocked so much is also a function of how he shoots the ball. He seems to shoot it from his face, or down low, instead of with his arms extended up and/or out. His shooting motion seems to make it easier to block. I wonder also whether he could develop a step back shot. Those can be effective and harder to block.
TheSilencer1313
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Watching what games??
No.... I have not been watching whiny little summer league.
I watched Kanter during all last season, and he did it to people all the time.
Get blocked, grab the rebound for a put back.
I'll save my reservations for actual competition of the 2012-13 regular season before I come to any conclusions.
Summer league means nothing.
And how much do you want to bet he tears it up during pre-season?
He's the second best pick and roll guy on the team next to Favors.