The Black Swordsman
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Well here it is folks.
When you firmly believe something I believe you should have multiple sets of evidences showing why you should believe that belief. For example lets say someone is accused of Murder. Lets say at the scene of the crime there is witness evidence, DNA evidence, video evidence, an email written by the suspect stating why he wants to kill the victim etc. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that is what I believe the Qur'an provides.
One reason I believe in god is because of the Kalam cosmological argument (A Muslim arguement that many Christians have also started using which is basically, nothing can easily exist but rather something does exist and from what we know everything exists for a reason so what is the why of the universe existing?) Many atheists dismiss it and I am ok with that. I also find the fine tuned universe argument compelling and I don't view the multiverse theory or the anthropic principle as good counters to it.
The Kalam cosmological arguement:
Three assumptions:
a) Everything that begins to exist has a cause
b) The universe began to exist
c) Therefore the universe has a cause
The three possible causes of the universe
1) It could come from nothing
2) It created itself
3) It was made by something that is uncaused and outside the existence of the universe
1) If there is anything we can find inconceivable it is that something comes from nothing.
2) This would be like your mother giving birth to herself. It would imply that the universe exists and not exists at the same time.
3) There is an absurdity if you say something mechanically or scientifically caused the universe, then what is there to say what caused the cause that caused the cause? How bought what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause times infinity. There can't be an infinite regress of events otherwise the universe would never begin to exist. Therefore the cause of the universe is uncaused and outside the realm of the universe. It also means it is a personal god because it chose the universe to exist.
The reason I am Muslim is because I believe there are no naturalistic explanations of the Qur'an. 1/5th the Qur'an is about science and NONE of it is false. This is something that cannot be said about other other religions.
Dr. Keith Moore which is a famous embryologist states that the Qur'an describes the stages of the embryo accurately. (it says it progresses from a sperm-egg mixture to hanging leech, to chewed up flesh, etc, and also states that bones develop first and later get wrapped by muscle after)
Qur'an 23:12-14 We created man from an essence of clay, then We placed him as a drop of fluid in a safe place. Then We made that drop of fluid into a clinging leech like form, and then We made that form into a lump of chewed up flesh, and We made that lump into bones, and We clothed those bones with flesh, and later We made him into other forms. Glory be to God the best of creators.
https://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-a.htm more on embryology of Qur'an here.
The Qur'an describes the big bang, the spread of the universe and that all life is made out of water.
Qur'an 21:30 Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
(Heaven means "everything above us" for paradise of life after death the word "janna" meaning paradise is used)
Qur'an 51:47 And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander
Hubble received great praise for his bang bang theory in the 20th century, it should have been Muhammad 1400 years ago that receives the noble prize.
Qur'an 36:38 And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.
^The solar apex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_apex
There is an excellent video about the cosmology in the Qur'an https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv7lCR-7AKQ involving around Richard Dawkins and Lawerance Krauss.
Why does the Noble Quran, while speaking about determination of the identity of the individual, speak specifically about finger tips? The Noble Quran recognized that finger tips are unique!
Qur'an 75:3-4 "Does man think that WE Cannot assemble his bones? Nay, WE are able to put Together in perfect order The very tips of his fingers."
In 1880, fingerprinting became the scientific method of identification, after research done by Sir Francis Golt.
Qur'an 24:43 Do you not see that Allah drives clouds? Then He brings them together, then He makes them into a mass, and you see the rain emerge from within it. And He sends down from the sky, mountains [of clouds] within which is hail, and He strikes with it whom He wills and averts it from whom He wills. The flash of its lightening almost takes away the eyesight.
Why does it mention that there is hail in the clouds when it talks about lightening? People have been wandering about this for centuries. It has recently been figured out that the reason why there is lighting coming from clouds is specifically because of movement of ice crystals in the cloud.
"Ice inside a cloud is thought to be a key element in lightning development, and may cause a forcible separation of positive and negative charges within the cloud, thus assisting in the formation of lightning" National Weather Service (2007). "Lightning Safety". National Weather Service.
Qur'an, 78:6-7 Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs
Mountains have roots, they are kinda like icebergs in which you see the tip. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1oTYW50BZrA/SLVgEsDGcGI/AAAAAAAAAEE/EoXXPDmh7IQ/s320/mountain+root+2.jpg
Also it states that they help make earthquakes less serious. I understand places that have earthquakes have more mountains. Thats like saying "well doctors cure sick people so why so many sick people in hospitals." It's not the actual mountain that causes the earthquakes but plates beneath them.
Qur'an 21:31 And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them
Qur'an 31:10 ...cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so that it would not move under you...
"The effect of the mountains reduces the peak amplitude of ground velocity for some regions in the basin by as much as 50% in the frequency band up to 0.5 Hz"
https://bssa.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/6/2066
Qur'an 96:15-16 No indeed! If he does not stop, We will grab him by the forelock, a lying, sinful forelock.
Forelock means forehead or like front of the head. People have wondered for centuries. Wth... why does it mention a lying sinful forelock such a bizzare thing to say.
"The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex" pg 63
"In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression" pg 64
Essentials of Anatomy and Physiology. The area of the brain that is involved in lying is the front of the brain, the part of the brain immediately behind the forehead.
Many people critize saying the reason why it is so scientifically amazing is because Arabs were ahead of their time. I agree with this, but don't get it confused. The Arabs were advanced AFTER the Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago and got their science from it. Also even still many of these sciences described in the Qur'an weren't described until recently some as soon as this decade.
Now these were some of the Qur'ans scientific Miracles I will discuss some of the statistical miracles of the Qur'an.
These were all closely studied in the 1930's so this is only a relatively recently realized phenomena.
The word Angel and Devil are both in the quran : 88 times.
This world and hereafter :115 times each
Man and women are both mentioned 24 times and also states that they are equal.
Sea is 32 times, land is 13 times.
If we add up the total words of both "sea" and "land" we get 45. Now if we do a simple calculation:
32/45 X 100% = 71.11111111%
13/45 X 100% = 28.88888888%
If you look at wikipedia. these are very similar numbers wikipedia has 70.8% land the rest water. Both of these round to 71%. Also many lakes have shrinken and the sea level rised since 1400 years ago (like aral sea has shrunk by 10%)
There are 12-15 more of these mathematical "coincidences" in the Qur'an I won't mention but they all here https://www.islamawareness.net/Miq/stat.html
My favorite is this one:
Day (yawm) in singular form 365 times the amount of days in a single solar cycle. (I know its 365.2 days in a solar cycle but if you round this down it is 365 times, I don't know a word that is 1/5th of a day.)
Days in plural form: 30 times the amount of days in a month or a single lunar cycle.
The word month (Shahar) is 12 times mentioned...
One thing I want to add if you have time is youtube video about evolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugu3cZN-3jU
I will highlight some points, evolution has been known of Islam since late 700's. 400 years before Darwin Khaldun said that it started off as minerals, evolved to animals, then monkey's then to humans. Islam does not believe in the 6 thousand year old earth or anything like that or that birds evolved first then reptiles. Also supporting evolution:
Qur'an 7:11
And We created you (humans, in plural form), then fashioned you (made you in the image you are, also addressing humans in plural form), then said to the angels: Prostrate to Adam!
Qur'an 3:33-34
Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
He said he chose the descendants of Adam... This would mean there were other descendants as well...
The bible and the Torah both say the ruler in the times of Moses was called Pharaoh. It also says that the ruler in the time of Yusuf was also called Pharaoh.
In the Qur'an the ruler in the time of Moses was called Pharaoh, however in the time of Yusuf it was called King. People wondered this for centures why it did a distinction. However, in 1799 the roseta stone was discovered and it allowed the egyptian hieroglyphics to be read. It stated that in the time of Moses he was called Pharaoh. The title Pharaoh wasn't used for the ruler of Egypt until the years after Prophet Yusuf's dead and the ruler at that time he was called King.
At the of Muhammad the egyptian heiroglyphics was a dead language as well just as it was until 1799. Also, the Bible and Torah are less recent that the Qur'an by hundreds of years yet it gave the ruler a wrong title.
So ya this is it. Basically I think there is no naturalistic explanation for the Qur'an so it is a miracle, an act of impossibility. There are still many many things I have left out.
Islam only religion in my eyes that you can have faith and proof.
When you firmly believe something I believe you should have multiple sets of evidences showing why you should believe that belief. For example lets say someone is accused of Murder. Lets say at the scene of the crime there is witness evidence, DNA evidence, video evidence, an email written by the suspect stating why he wants to kill the victim etc. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that is what I believe the Qur'an provides.
One reason I believe in god is because of the Kalam cosmological argument (A Muslim arguement that many Christians have also started using which is basically, nothing can easily exist but rather something does exist and from what we know everything exists for a reason so what is the why of the universe existing?) Many atheists dismiss it and I am ok with that. I also find the fine tuned universe argument compelling and I don't view the multiverse theory or the anthropic principle as good counters to it.
The Kalam cosmological arguement:
Three assumptions:
a) Everything that begins to exist has a cause
b) The universe began to exist
c) Therefore the universe has a cause
The three possible causes of the universe
1) It could come from nothing
2) It created itself
3) It was made by something that is uncaused and outside the existence of the universe
1) If there is anything we can find inconceivable it is that something comes from nothing.
2) This would be like your mother giving birth to herself. It would imply that the universe exists and not exists at the same time.
3) There is an absurdity if you say something mechanically or scientifically caused the universe, then what is there to say what caused the cause that caused the cause? How bought what caused the cause that caused the cause that caused the cause times infinity. There can't be an infinite regress of events otherwise the universe would never begin to exist. Therefore the cause of the universe is uncaused and outside the realm of the universe. It also means it is a personal god because it chose the universe to exist.
The reason I am Muslim is because I believe there are no naturalistic explanations of the Qur'an. 1/5th the Qur'an is about science and NONE of it is false. This is something that cannot be said about other other religions.
Dr. Keith Moore which is a famous embryologist states that the Qur'an describes the stages of the embryo accurately. (it says it progresses from a sperm-egg mixture to hanging leech, to chewed up flesh, etc, and also states that bones develop first and later get wrapped by muscle after)
Qur'an 23:12-14 We created man from an essence of clay, then We placed him as a drop of fluid in a safe place. Then We made that drop of fluid into a clinging leech like form, and then We made that form into a lump of chewed up flesh, and We made that lump into bones, and We clothed those bones with flesh, and later We made him into other forms. Glory be to God the best of creators.
https://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-a.htm more on embryology of Qur'an here.
The Qur'an describes the big bang, the spread of the universe and that all life is made out of water.
Qur'an 21:30 Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
(Heaven means "everything above us" for paradise of life after death the word "janna" meaning paradise is used)
Qur'an 51:47 And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander
Hubble received great praise for his bang bang theory in the 20th century, it should have been Muhammad 1400 years ago that receives the noble prize.
Qur'an 36:38 And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.
^The solar apex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_apex
There is an excellent video about the cosmology in the Qur'an https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv7lCR-7AKQ involving around Richard Dawkins and Lawerance Krauss.
Why does the Noble Quran, while speaking about determination of the identity of the individual, speak specifically about finger tips? The Noble Quran recognized that finger tips are unique!
Qur'an 75:3-4 "Does man think that WE Cannot assemble his bones? Nay, WE are able to put Together in perfect order The very tips of his fingers."
In 1880, fingerprinting became the scientific method of identification, after research done by Sir Francis Golt.
Qur'an 24:43 Do you not see that Allah drives clouds? Then He brings them together, then He makes them into a mass, and you see the rain emerge from within it. And He sends down from the sky, mountains [of clouds] within which is hail, and He strikes with it whom He wills and averts it from whom He wills. The flash of its lightening almost takes away the eyesight.
Why does it mention that there is hail in the clouds when it talks about lightening? People have been wandering about this for centuries. It has recently been figured out that the reason why there is lighting coming from clouds is specifically because of movement of ice crystals in the cloud.
"Ice inside a cloud is thought to be a key element in lightning development, and may cause a forcible separation of positive and negative charges within the cloud, thus assisting in the formation of lightning" National Weather Service (2007). "Lightning Safety". National Weather Service.
Qur'an, 78:6-7 Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs
Mountains have roots, they are kinda like icebergs in which you see the tip. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1oTYW50BZrA/SLVgEsDGcGI/AAAAAAAAAEE/EoXXPDmh7IQ/s320/mountain+root+2.jpg
Also it states that they help make earthquakes less serious. I understand places that have earthquakes have more mountains. Thats like saying "well doctors cure sick people so why so many sick people in hospitals." It's not the actual mountain that causes the earthquakes but plates beneath them.
Qur'an 21:31 And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them
Qur'an 31:10 ...cast firmly embedded mountains on the earth so that it would not move under you...
"The effect of the mountains reduces the peak amplitude of ground velocity for some regions in the basin by as much as 50% in the frequency band up to 0.5 Hz"
https://bssa.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/6/2066
Qur'an 96:15-16 No indeed! If he does not stop, We will grab him by the forelock, a lying, sinful forelock.
Forelock means forehead or like front of the head. People have wondered for centuries. Wth... why does it mention a lying sinful forelock such a bizzare thing to say.
"The motivation and the foresight to plan and initiate movements occur in the anterior portion of the frontal lobes, the prefrontal area. This is a region of association cortex" pg 63
"In relation to its involvement in motivation, the prefrontal area is also thought to be the functional center for aggression" pg 64
Essentials of Anatomy and Physiology. The area of the brain that is involved in lying is the front of the brain, the part of the brain immediately behind the forehead.
Many people critize saying the reason why it is so scientifically amazing is because Arabs were ahead of their time. I agree with this, but don't get it confused. The Arabs were advanced AFTER the Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago and got their science from it. Also even still many of these sciences described in the Qur'an weren't described until recently some as soon as this decade.
Now these were some of the Qur'ans scientific Miracles I will discuss some of the statistical miracles of the Qur'an.
These were all closely studied in the 1930's so this is only a relatively recently realized phenomena.
The word Angel and Devil are both in the quran : 88 times.
This world and hereafter :115 times each
Man and women are both mentioned 24 times and also states that they are equal.
Sea is 32 times, land is 13 times.
If we add up the total words of both "sea" and "land" we get 45. Now if we do a simple calculation:
32/45 X 100% = 71.11111111%
13/45 X 100% = 28.88888888%
If you look at wikipedia. these are very similar numbers wikipedia has 70.8% land the rest water. Both of these round to 71%. Also many lakes have shrinken and the sea level rised since 1400 years ago (like aral sea has shrunk by 10%)
There are 12-15 more of these mathematical "coincidences" in the Qur'an I won't mention but they all here https://www.islamawareness.net/Miq/stat.html
My favorite is this one:
Day (yawm) in singular form 365 times the amount of days in a single solar cycle. (I know its 365.2 days in a solar cycle but if you round this down it is 365 times, I don't know a word that is 1/5th of a day.)
Days in plural form: 30 times the amount of days in a month or a single lunar cycle.
The word month (Shahar) is 12 times mentioned...
One thing I want to add if you have time is youtube video about evolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugu3cZN-3jU
I will highlight some points, evolution has been known of Islam since late 700's. 400 years before Darwin Khaldun said that it started off as minerals, evolved to animals, then monkey's then to humans. Islam does not believe in the 6 thousand year old earth or anything like that or that birds evolved first then reptiles. Also supporting evolution:
Qur'an 7:11
And We created you (humans, in plural form), then fashioned you (made you in the image you are, also addressing humans in plural form), then said to the angels: Prostrate to Adam!
Qur'an 3:33-34
Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
He said he chose the descendants of Adam... This would mean there were other descendants as well...
The bible and the Torah both say the ruler in the times of Moses was called Pharaoh. It also says that the ruler in the time of Yusuf was also called Pharaoh.
In the Qur'an the ruler in the time of Moses was called Pharaoh, however in the time of Yusuf it was called King. People wondered this for centures why it did a distinction. However, in 1799 the roseta stone was discovered and it allowed the egyptian hieroglyphics to be read. It stated that in the time of Moses he was called Pharaoh. The title Pharaoh wasn't used for the ruler of Egypt until the years after Prophet Yusuf's dead and the ruler at that time he was called King.
At the of Muhammad the egyptian heiroglyphics was a dead language as well just as it was until 1799. Also, the Bible and Torah are less recent that the Qur'an by hundreds of years yet it gave the ruler a wrong title.
So ya this is it. Basically I think there is no naturalistic explanation for the Qur'an so it is a miracle, an act of impossibility. There are still many many things I have left out.
Islam only religion in my eyes that you can have faith and proof.
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