Why Lindsey should do NOTHING until July 1st

[Stoked]

Does anybody else have a problem with our off-season just being resigning Ingles, Hayward and Hill? Do we really think thats the answer?

So the 2017/18 Jazz will be the 2016/17 Jazz but replacing Mack and Diaw with Mitchell and Bradley.

Then think about the 2018/19 Jazz without 2 of Joe J, Favors, Exum and Hood.

I'm extremely unsatisfied with this off-season if that is the plan. That is why the cap space is so important in my opinion. We have to be bold or plan for the world when GS might have to break up (2019). Treading water will do nothing for us.

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Yes and no. I would be OK with that as I wouldn't mind giving that roster another shot to show what they can do when healthy.

But there would be some disappointment as the FO would not have taken the step forward I feel they need to take. The step from great team to true contender.

 

[LoPo]

Yes and no. I would be OK with that as I wouldn't mind giving that roster another shot to show what they can do when healthy.

But there would be some disappointment as the FO would not have taken the step forward I feel they need to take. The step from great team to true contender.

Thank you Stoked.

I liked last years team. I really did. We were relevant. I just dont think it was near a contender.

And I like Mitchell and Bradley more than Mack and Diaw. A lot more. Doesnt mean they are going to get minutes. If anything, we have to rely on Favors more because of no Diaw. And by the time Mitchell and Bradley might gain confidence, we waive bye bye to two of Favors, Joe, Hood and Exum because we locked in Hill and Ingles to sizeable contracts.

I'm just unsatisfied. With a key injury to an opponent, anything can happen. I just think this approach to our off-season is very short sighted and the realistic goal is the conference finals.

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[fishonjazz]

Thank you Stoked.

I liked last years team. I really did. We were relevant. I just dont think it was near a contender.

And I like Mitchell and Bradley more than Mack and Diaw. A lot more. Doesnt mean they are going to get minutes. If anything, we have to rely on Favors more because of no Diaw. And by the time Mitchell and Bradley might gain confidence, we waive bye bye to two of Favors, Joe, Hood and Exum because we locked in Hill and Ingles to sizeable contracts.

I'm just unsatisfied. With a key injury to an opponent, anything can happen. I just think this approach to our off-season is very short sighted and the realistic goal is the conference finals.

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I would love to get the conference finals.

 

[addictionary]

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So yeah, if it did for Hayseed what it did for me, he's all but signed, sealed and delivered back to Vivint. So no worries. Plus I took that pic of fish with good ol' Denny. What you don't see is Linds gettin' up 30 seconds later for a new pair of slacks ...

Things got a little messy. But Goddammit if Dennis didn't have the time (or half minute) of his life. I'm not sure how that helps retain Hayward but it certainly can't hurt.

Those girls don't sound very Mormon to me bro.

 

[addictionary]

Does anybody else have a problem with our off-season just being resigning Ingles, Hayward and Hill? Do we really think thats the answer?

So the 2017/18 Jazz will be the 2016/17 Jazz but replacing Mack and Diaw with Mitchell and Bradley.

Then think about the 2018/19 Jazz without 2 of Joe J, Favors, Exum and Hood.

I'm extremely unsatisfied with this off-season if that is the plan. That is why the cap space is so important in my opinion. We have to be bold or plan for the world when GS might have to break up (2019). Treading water will do nothing for us.

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I don't. But it will be nice if Teodosic comes over. Will have a lot of fun during games.

 

[fishonjazz]

Thank you Stoked.

I liked last years team. I really did. We were relevant. I just dont think it was near a contender.

You liked last year's team. If we run it back this year then it should be quite a bit better than last year's team.
What's not to like?

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Thank you Stoked.

I liked last years team. I really did. We were relevant. I just dont think it was near a contender.

And I like Mitchell and Bradley more than Mack and Diaw. A lot more. Doesnt mean they are going to get minutes. If anything, we have to rely on Favors more because of no Diaw. And by the time Mitchell and Bradley might gain confidence, we waive bye bye to two of Favors, Joe, Hood and Exum because we locked in Hill and Ingles to sizeable contracts.

I'm just unsatisfied. With a key injury to an opponent, anything can happen. I just think this approach to our off-season is very short sighted and the realistic goal is the conference finals.

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Jesus Christ. Just because the Warriors happened to fall into the perfect series of events, doesn't mean everybody else should just throw their hands in the air and quit.

Utah was a 51 win team as one of the most injured teams in the league last year. Just with a healthy Hill and Favors, that puts us as a 55-60 win team IMO. So we should have been right there with the spurs fighting for 2nd place in the west. The Warriors are an anomaly that nobody is going to be able to match due to the circumstances that brought that team together. Instead, their financial situation will slowly level them out a bit, and until then, there is nothing wrong with trying to overthrow the spurs for 2nd best in the west. Do that and get into the playoffs, and anything could happen, such as injuries.

So yeah, when you've built a team that's capable of winning 55-60 games, you don't throw in the ****ing towel and say we'll never be good enough. That's loser talk and a defeatist frame of mind. You continue to try and build on what you have, and hope for better health, which should be completely reasonable, considering where we were last year.

 

[Stoked]

Jesus Christ. Just because the Warriors happened to fall into the perfect series of events, doesn't mean everybody else should just throw their hands in the air and quit.

Utah was a 51 win team as one of the most injured teams in the league last year. Just with a healthy Hill and Favors, that puts us as a 55-60 win team IMO. So we should have been right there with the spurs fighting for 2nd place in the west. The Warriors are an anomaly that nobody is going to be able to match due to the circumstances that brought that team together. Instead, their financial situation will slowly level them out a bit, and until then, there is nothing wrong with trying to overthrow the spurs for 2nd best in the west. Do that and get into the playoffs, and anything could happen, such as injuries.

So yeah, when you've built a team that's capable of winning 55-60 games, you don't throw in the ****ing towel and say we'll never be good enough. That's loser talk and a defeatist frame of mind. You continue to try and build on what you have, and hope for better health, which should be completely reasonable, considering where we were last year.

Then it is a good thing he isn't saying that...
[MENTION=840]fishonjazz[/MENTION] yes, the WCFs would be great. But the finals would be even better and that should be the goal.

 

[Gameface]

28-29 fan bases are looking at what they've got for the upcoming year and saying it's not enough.

There's no magical move that's gonna make any team better than the Warriors right now.

I don't want the Jazz to suck because they went for a better than the Warriors or bust strategy. I want them to build this awesome team for now and for the future. A lot can happen, and if there isn't a team in the NBA that can really compete with the Warriors I want the Jazz to be as good as they can be in that reality. I think that's what they're doing.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

LoPo could definitely built a team that could beat the Warriors. And his first step is too dump our best player. Hire the man.


It's a long ****ing season dude. And I see quite a difference from tanking years, to winning fifty games and a playoff series. So if in one hand you give me consistent playoffs, and super fun team that is easy to like, and always right on the cusp ready to strike if something goes awry in the league. And the other hand you give me the full Hinkie. I know what I'm choosing.

 

[LoPo]

Jesus Christ. Just because the Warriors happened to fall into the perfect series of events, doesn't mean everybody else should just throw their hands in the air and quit.

Utah was a 51 win team as one of the most injured teams in the league last year. Just with a healthy Hill and Favors, that puts us as a 55-60 win team IMO. So we should have been right there with the spurs fighting for 2nd place in the west. The Warriors are an anomaly that nobody is going to be able to match due to the circumstances that brought that team together. Instead, their financial situation will slowly level them out a bit, and until then, there is nothing wrong with trying to overthrow the spurs for 2nd best in the west. Do that and get into the playoffs, and anything could happen, such as injuries.

So yeah, when you've built a team that's capable of winning 55-60 games, you don't throw in the ****ing towel and say we'll never be good enough. That's loser talk and a defeatist frame of mind. You continue to try and build on what you have, and hope for better health, which should be completely reasonable, considering where we were last year.

Did I say quit? Signing Ingles and Hill are solid moves, but I want to dream title not conference finals. If we would have been aggressive with Stockton and Malone, we would have a banner. The same with Deron's group maybe. We are almost always risk averse.

Example - Teo at $10 is better than Hill at $25. No brainer really. Because we get to keep Exum or Favors or Hood next summer.

Remember - the goal being Ingles and Hill means we waste the cap room we should use by Friday. We are wasting an asset.

Just my opinion. If we don't gain an asset using our cap space, its just plain dumb.

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[Cappy_Smurf]

LoPo could definitely built a team that could beat the Warriors. And his first step is too dump our best player. Hire the man.
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Not only that, but we'd have Zinger and it only would have cost us 8 2nd rounders.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Let me put it this way, I don't necessarily agree that DL should do nothing before July, but some of you guys would have burnt that cap space on Lou Williams or Andrew Bogut or D-Will at the trade deadline last year, which would have done basically nothing for the team. We wouldn't have gone any further than we did.

So now DL still has options in improving the team. Maybe some big trade comes along that we couldn't have done without the flexibility in the cap. Maybe we help facilitate a trade for someone else and grab a pick in the process. Who knows, but even if that cap space goes unused, I'd rather DL maintain some flexibility and keep options open, than burn cap space just because it's eating a hole in his pocket.

These minor assets that people are so desperate to burn cap space on aren't that big of a deal when considering we might miss out on a difference maker without some flexibility.

 

[fishonjazz]

28-29 fan bases are looking at what they've got for the upcoming year and saying it's not enough.

There's no magical move that's gonna make any team better than the Warriors right now.

I don't want the Jazz to suck because they went for a better than the Warriors or bust strategy. I want them to build this awesome team for now and for the future. A lot can happen, and if there isn't a team in the NBA that can really compete with the Warriors I want the Jazz to be as good as they can be in that reality. I think that's what they're doing.

This

 

[infection]

Does anybody else have a problem with our off-season just being resigning Ingles, Hayward and Hill? Do we really think thats the answer?

So the 2017/18 Jazz will be the 2016/17 Jazz but replacing Mack and Diaw with Mitchell and Bradley.

Then think about the 2018/19 Jazz without 2 of Joe J, Favors, Exum and Hood.

I'm extremely unsatisfied with this off-season if that is the plan. That is why the cap space is so important in my opinion. We have to be bold or plan for the world when GS might have to break up (2019). Treading water will do nothing for us.

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I think expectations have been a bit too high. Even with the homers here, everyone was saying how unrealistic it would be to get Zinger but you felt he could be had in a primarily salary clearing move. I believe we're a 60 win team if healthy. Take a look back at the 51-win Warriors without the advantage of hindsight. Would you have made big changes there? They didn't. When the off-season started I would have been fairly happy with drafting Ojeleye, Frank Jackson and Sterling Brown and signing Bogut. I think a move for Love would be good but outside of that I'm not up for any major changes.

Bradley won't play. Hopefully without Diaw and Lyles we've cleared the way for Bolomboy who will finally bring us some rebounding off the bench -- that's huge. Stripping Snyder of the ability to play (or even start) Mack is huge.

We need a backup 5 in free agency. I thought Beverly would have been great with or without Hill. I would have offered up a first rounder for him and I would have made a push for Love. But if all we do is retain Hill, Hayward and Ingles and get a backup 5 I think we're in a good spot.

 

[infection]

I say this seriously but Bolomboy is the big addition this off-season if Lyles and Diaw's departures, combined with Favors' health, allow him 20 mpg. His rebounding would allow us to bring in a weaker rebounding 5 like Muscala.

 

[fishonjazz]

For those who are "sick of the injury excuse" (lopo), what if the jazz were able to execute your dream plan. They get Paul george, and porzingas. Hell, cp3 too. All to go along with Hayward and gobert.

Then next season porzingas misses 50 games, george misses 30 and the games he doesn't miss he plays at 50 percent, cp3 has a career ending injury. Jazz miss the playoffs.
Then I ask you (lopo) why we weren't contenders? Would you say it was because of injuries or would you say that the construction of the team was flawed and your plan was a bad one?

I'm think you might blame injuries.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Let me put it this way, I don't necessarily agree that DL should do nothing before July, but some of you guys would have burnt that cap space on Lou Williams or Andrew Bogut or D-Will at the trade deadline last year, which would have done basically nothing for the team. We wouldn't have gone any further than we did.

So now DL still has options in improving the team. Maybe some big trade comes along that we couldn't have done without the flexibility in the cap. Maybe we help facilitate a trade for someone else and grab a pick in the process. Who knows, but even if that cap space goes unused, I'd rather DL maintain some flexibility and keep options open, than burn cap space just because it's eating a hole in his pocket.

These minor assets that people are so desperate to burn cap space on aren't that big of a deal when considering we might miss out on a difference maker without some flexibility.

I've been all about holding on to that cap space and now is the time to use it. But if we don't use it and Hayward leaves that will be a big reason to point at. Hopefully we use it for a big move and keep Hayward.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm the most anti cakkk bakkker out there... if we get to run it back we should. We have upside in Exum hood mitchell and growth from Gobert and maybe Hayward.

If we have improved health from one of favors Burks hood hill we win close to 60 games.

If we need to add so that we can keep Hayward so let's do that but I am team run it back for sure.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm the most anti cakkk bakkker out there... if we get to run it back we should. We have upside in Exum hood mitchell and growth from Gobert and maybe Hayward.

If we have improved health from one of favors Burks hood hill we win close to 60 games.

If we need to add so that we can keep Hayward so let's do that but I am team run it back for sure.

Monica