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Why our target MIGHT be DeMarre and not Millsap

Stifle Tower

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Atlanta is in a real conundrum if I understand the salary cap rules correctly. And a big thanks to Numberica for making me look them up.


"EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception. It also allows teams to exceed the cap to re-sign their own free agents, but with more limited contracts than the Larry Bird exception. To qualify for this exception the player must play for two seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent (see question number 33 for details and nuances to this rule). A team may use the Early Bird exception to re-sign its own free agent for up to 175% of his salary in the previous season[SUP]2[/SUP] (not over the maximum salary, of course) or 104.5% of the average salary in the previous season, whichever is greater (see question number 32 for the definition of "average salary"). Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season. Early Bird contracts can be up to four years in length, with raises up to 7.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Early Bird is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception, and qualifying players are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA."
 
So, IINM, Atlanta does not have full Bird rights for either Millsap or Carroll. In order to offer a MAX salary to these players, the salaries would need to fit under the cap.

Including their draft pick, and renouncing all holds, including Antic, puts Atlanta at just under $43M (I'm NOT counting QO's for Millsap and Carroll yet). If the cap goes to $68M, that gives them $25M to sign both players.

Obviously, that's probably NOT enough salary cap room to sign both. The ONLY way to do it, IMO is:

1. To get DeMarre to sign a contract first for whatever he'll agree to.
2. Then use the early-bird exception to offer Millsap a contract at $16.6M (175% of what he was making).

The reverse order won't do it, as DMC was paid a pittance.

So Utah swoops in with a MAX offer for DMC on July 1st. If he returns to Atlanta, Utah could then outbid the Hawks for Millsap. Utah could do it but not picking up the option on Booker's contract.
 
It sounds like you just said offer a max contract to Demarre Carroll?

Did I hear that right?
 
Hack said:
It sounds like you just said offer a max contract to Demarre Carroll?

Did I hear that right?
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This.
No thanks.
There is a decent chance that Hayward, hood, and Burks are all better than dmc.
 
Max might be a little much. But others spoke of throwing a max offer at Middleton. I don't think DMC is worth any less. He's an elite defender and averaged 15/6 on 49%/40%. He averaged 20 pts in the playoffs before injuring his toe in the Cavs series.

Utah should at least put pressure on the Hawks. If Atlanta doesn't sign DMC before Millsap, they'll lose him.

I find the "leak" that came from Checketts VERY suspicious. The Jazz organization is historically very tight-lipped. DL hasn't shown anything to the contrary. Unless Spencer is trying to end media relations with the Jazz, the Millsap leak was either a trial balloon or disinformation.
 
Frankly I'm baffled why the talk has turned to players that don't really fit any of our team needs. I like both Carroll and Millsap (obviously not as much as some here) but neither of them really upgrade our roster enough to warrant the contracts they would require.
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Because of those reason I have no interest in either one of these player. Frankly if they had not played in Utah they would not even be on the lips of Jazz fans because acquiring either of them makes very little sense relative to the amount they will cost.
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consider me baffled by the love Jazz fans have for ex-Jazz players. We have talked seriously about wanting, Deron, Mathews, Millsap, and Carroll. None of those players fit this current team. None of them should even be considered for this roster. Frankly I'd be pretty well pissed off if the Jazz spent any real amount of money on any of those players.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Max might be a little much. But others spoke of throwing a max offer at Middleton. I don't think DMC is worth any less. He's an elite defender and averaged 15/6 on 49%/40%. He averaged 20 pts in the playoffs before injuring his toe in the Cavs series.

Utah should at least put pressure on the Hawks. If Atlanta doesn't sign DMC before Millsap, they'll lose him.

I find the "leak" that came from Checketts VERY suspicious. The Jazz organization is historically very tight-lipped. DL hasn't shown anything to the contrary. Unless Spencer is trying to end media relations with the Jazz, the Millsap leak was either a trial balloon or disinformation.
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Knee, not toe.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Max might be a little much. But others spoke of throwing a max offer at Middleton. I don't think DMC is worth any less. He's an elite defender and averaged 15/6 on 49%/40%. He averaged 20 pts in the playoffs before injuring his toe in the Cavs series.

Utah should at least put pressure on the Hawks. If Atlanta doesn't sign DMC before Millsap, they'll lose him.

I find the "leak" that came from Checketts VERY suspicious. The Jazz organization is historically very tight-lipped. DL hasn't shown anything to the contrary. Unless Spencer is trying to end media relations with the Jazz, the Millsap leak was either a trial balloon or disinformation.
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Or Spencer just flat out lie because he wanted attention.

Maybe he thought he got a feeling on what the Jazz would do and ran a rumor out there for some attention.

How many rumors do you hear from all sorts of mouths in the media that never come true? It's a lot right? So why be gullible and react to every one thrown out there.


There is nothing to the Millsap rumor. Nothing! It doesn't make any sense for either side and is not likely to happen.
 
gregbroncs said:
Frankly I'm baffled why the talk has turned to players that don't really fit any of our team needs. I like both Carroll and Millsap (obviously not as much as some here) but neither of them really upgrade our roster enough to warrant the contracts they would require.
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Because of those reason I have no interest in either one of these player. Frankly if they had not played in Utah they would not even be on the lips of Jazz fans because acquiring either of them makes very little sense relative to the amount they will cost.
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consider me baffled by the love Jazz fans have for ex-Jazz players. We have talked seriously about wanting, Deron, Mathews, Millsap, and Carroll. None of those players fit this current team. None of them should even be considered for this roster. Frankly I'd be pretty well pissed off if the Jazz spent any real amount of money on any of those players.
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The Jazz don't have a player whose primary role is to defend the opposing team's best perimeter player. Meanwhile, Trey chucking Burke gets to play basketball.

There is plenty for the Jazz to want out of Carroll. ****ing plenty. Just because you have some weird axe to grind doesn't change that.
 
Anyway. The max is a lot for Carroll but he's going to get paid. Atlanta has to choose one of him or Millsap and I see no reason that the Jazz shouldn't go after Carroll and get rid of Burke to supply more minutes and opportunities to other perimeter players that both have ability and a conscience.
 
DMC is a good hustle player whose body will breakdown before the end of the contract and whatever team will be left with Gerald Wallace II. DMC should get a raise but he was borderline all star in the Atlanta system... I don't think he will be as effective (at least offensively) in another system. If a team pays him $15m, they are crazy. He should be in the $6-8m ran and that is still a 300% raise.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
DMC is a good hustle player whose body will breakdown before the end of the contract and whatever team will be left with Gerald Wallace II. DMC should get a raise but he was borderline all star in the Atlanta system... I don't think he will be as effective (at least offensively) in another system. If a team pays him $15m, they are crazy. He should be in the $6-8m ran and that is still a 300% raise.
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You mean the system Quin helped develop?
 
Stifle Tower said:
Max might be a little much. But others spoke of throwing a max offer at Middleton. I don't think DMC is worth any less. He's an elite defender and averaged 15/6 on 49%/40%. He averaged 20 pts in the playoffs before injuring his toe in the Cavs series.

Utah should at least put pressure on the Hawks. If Atlanta doesn't sign DMC before Millsap, they'll lose him.

I find the "leak" that came from Checketts VERY suspicious. The Jazz organization is historically very tight-lipped. DL hasn't shown anything to the contrary. Unless Spencer is trying to end media relations with the Jazz, the Millsap leak was either a trial balloon or disinformation.
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OMG. We have 3 really good wings already and u want to throw that kind of money at Carroll?! What the hell is wrong with u!!
 
gregbroncs said:
Frankly I'm baffled why the talk has turned to players that don't really fit any of our team needs. I like both Carroll and Millsap (obviously not as much as some here) but neither of them really upgrade our roster enough to warrant the contracts they would require.
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Because of those reason I have no interest in either one of these player. Frankly if they had not played in Utah they would not even be on the lips of Jazz fans because acquiring either of them makes very little sense relative to the amount they will cost.
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consider me baffled by the love Jazz fans have for ex-Jazz players. We have talked seriously about wanting, Deron, Mathews, Millsap, and Carroll. None of those players fit this current team. None of them should even be considered for this roster. Frankly I'd be pretty well pissed off if the Jazz spent any real amount of money on any of those players.
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Ummm, every last one of those guys fit our system. Not saying we should sign them, but other then Deron I'd love to have all of those guys. We shouldn't sign them because we are deep on the wing and Millsap wants to start.
 
As much as I love DMC & wanted to retain him, the money that it would likely take to sign him would be better spent on a PG &/or C (depending on who we draft). I would love to see DMC, Millsap, & Matthews all back in Utah someday, but other than maybe Matthews (due to the fact that he might come at a discount & be willing to sign a short-term deal because of his injury), this off-season is not the right time for a reunion, as great as it would be.
 
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