Wiggins vs Parker
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The thought of having Kanter and Randle on the floor together, where both can hit from 20 feet, both can drive and get to the basket with body control, and both can score in the post would give the Jazz a nice 1-2 punch offensively. The same could probably be said with Parker and Wiggins, but Kanter and Randle could torture the other team's bigs all night, with one of them going hard on the offensive glass on every play.
Good teams like the Spurs and the Heat space out the floor and let their most athletic player break down the defense--Parker in SA's case, and Lebron normally for the Heat. The Lakers did this too, with shooters on the wing and Kobe going at his defender from the top of the key. Then if Kobe didn't convert, Lamar Odom was right behind looking to clean up. The Jazz have a really nice clean-up crew, with Kanter and Favors (and add Gobert), but they need that primary player who can break down the defense.
I feel like Parker is probably going to be a guy who floats mostly on the perimeter, like a Rudy Gay or Danny Granger. Although Parker is a triple-threat player (shoot, pass, drive), I'd like to have a guy whom I know can get a step, get into the lane and break the defense. I think Exum and the Harrisons might be just as effective as Parker in this respect. This is probably why Parker is sitting in the 5-7 range of most mock drafts right now.
BTW, Hayward is trying to play this role right now, and it's not really working.
Good teams like the Spurs and the Heat space out the floor and let their most athletic player break down the defense--Parker in SA's case, and Lebron normally for the Heat. The Lakers did this too, with shooters on the wing and Kobe going at his defender from the top of the key. Then if Kobe didn't convert, Lamar Odom was right behind looking to clean up. The Jazz have a really nice clean-up crew, with Kanter and Favors (and add Gobert), but they need that primary player who can break down the defense.
I feel like Parker is probably going to be a guy who floats mostly on the perimeter, like a Rudy Gay or Danny Granger. Although Parker is a triple-threat player (shoot, pass, drive), I'd like to have a guy whom I know can get a step, get into the lane and break the defense. I think Exum and the Harrisons might be just as effective as Parker in this respect. This is probably why Parker is sitting in the 5-7 range of most mock drafts right now.
BTW, Hayward is trying to play this role right now, and it's not really working.
It just isn't necessary for him to play SF for UK. Makes no sense to have Randle, WCS, and Dakari on the court at the same time.. but we will see it at some point I am certain.
Having said that, if you watch Randle play, he's essentially starting from the perimeter, making a spin or crossover to get by his man defender and then finishes strong against the help d. If they sag he shoots it. You will see the handles and passing to play quite a lot on the perimeter... he grabs rebounds and brings the ball up against full pressure... he has the tools.. I'm just continuing to question the infatuation with going BIG at a position.... when bb is about far more than that. I think he's better suited to out skill PF's than just out size SF's.
EXACTLY.
This is why I see a lot of "LeBron" in him. He has huge potential in this regard IMO. I love any player that has that inside-outside game (ala Dirk, LeBron, Kanter). He is certainly physical and agile enough to play this style. (too big for most SF, too quick for most PF)
I'm just a bit concern whether he has enough handle & passing ability to play the SF full time. If he's skilful enough to do it, night in, night out, - I'm taking him over Jabari, no questions asked.
Yeah but for our team with Favors and Kanter already in place, Randle would be a perfect fit as a "LeBron type SF" (if he can play there night-in-night out, unlike Millsap).
He brings:
- HUNGRINESS (no other player in our team has this IMO)
- PSA (Premier Slashing Ability) - again no other player in our team has this ATM
- Instant offense in isolation (again no other player in our team has this IMO). This is what makes LeBrons, Durants, Harden, Wade the All Stars that they are.
- Legit All Stars Potential
- He will double our FT attempts per game
I don't like losing either Favors/Kanter, so slotting Randle in at the SF would be the ideal situation for OUR TEAM.
Great post.
Great point about him being a leader. He is. I am being fair and balanced about all these players, I believe... and I think Randle is a legit leader in the sense everyone gathers around him and takes direction.. follows his lead. Hes both wildly intense about winning.. while having a huge smile and positive vibe/charisma... he has this over both the other two in the top 3.
spycam1
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I think Player A is better than Player B right now. Yet, I'm very confident Player B will be better in the long run. I go with Player B.
Not necessarily talking Parker vs Wiggins here, just a general drafting strategy.
I think the idea of Randle at the 3 is really because Favors and Kanter both are good assets to keep and play the 4 and 5. It's not that Randle would play the 3 if we didn't already have Kanter or Favors on this team.
I'll go on record and say that I have questions about Parker as a franchise player. I need to see more of him obviously, but physical tools matter at the NBA level. There are great college players like Michael Beasley, Glen Robinson (the older one), Christian Laetner, Danny Manning who become solid, productive pros, but they're not franchise changers by themselves because they don't demand a double team, make the defense react to them or make unguardable plays. To really impact a team, a player's got to have one or more skills that are flat-out elite--like KD shooting 3s, Lebron overpowering wing defenders, Tony Parker divebombing to the rim, Dirk shooting jumpers over people, or AK47 disrupting everything with his defensive reactions. Then you have freak athletes like KG, young Amare, Shaq, etc. that define teams based on their ability to dominate.
Parker would fit right in with the Jazz, and the Jazz would have nice floor balance with him. No doubt we'd be a 50+ win team. I'm just not sure he gets us to 60 wins and the NBA Finals, going up against NBA defenders.
I'll go on record and say that I have questions about Parker as a franchise player. I need to see more of him obviously, but physical tools matter at the NBA level. There are great college players like Michael Beasley, Glen Robinson (the older one), Christian Laetner, Danny Manning who become solid, productive pros, but they're not franchise changers by themselves because they don't demand a double team, make the defense react to them or make unguardable plays. To really impact a team, a player's got to have one or more skills that are flat-out elite--like KD shooting 3s, Lebron overpowering wing defenders, Tony Parker divebombing to the rim, Dirk shooting jumpers over people, or AK47 disrupting everything with his defensive reactions. Then you have freak athletes like KG, young Amare, Shaq, etc. that define teams based on their ability to dominate.
Parker would fit right in with the Jazz, and the Jazz would have nice floor balance with him. No doubt we'd be a 50+ win team. I'm just not sure he gets us to 60 wins and the NBA Finals, going up against NBA defenders.
I don't have Parker in my Top 3 right now. I agree with DX that it's Wiggins, Randle and Exum. I also like Andrew Harrison a lot.
Edit: I'll put it this way. Say the Jazz are down 1 with 15 secs left. Who's going to create a great scoring opportunity for himself or a teammate? Right now, I'd want Wiggins, Randle, Exum and probably Harrison in that situation before I'd want Parker. But time will tell.
I'd also want Kanter, Gobert, Hayward and Burke on the floor.
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enchilada_style
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Big fan of Randle. A 3 headed monster of Kanter, Favors, and Randle would be fun, although probably not realistic. I'd lean towards getting rid of Favors to fill another need if Randle shows enough defensive ability.
spycam1
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In that situation, Parker is as good as any of them at creating his own shot. Probably better.
Jabari is my #2 guy right now, if I was picking for any team, and especially for the Jazz.
Of course, much can (and most likely will) change before June.
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Yes.
Which is why I'd want Randle on our team (if he can play SF night in night out) - his ELITE ability to create off the dribble and draw fouls is invaluable in today's game (LeBron, Wade, Durant, Harden, etc).
If Gobert blows up defensively this year, then I would agree with you.
In fact I started a very popular thread detailing this with analyses backing up my claim.
The Jazz are going to be in a tough spot if they land the #2 pick. Taking Randle (the right choice) is taking a steamy dump on Favors-Kanter-Gobert, but it would most likely be the right move.
I don't know how they squirm out of that decision without playing their cards before showdown. Someone has to make an offer for Kanter or Favors in the 7-10 range before draft madness to avoid sour grapes all around.
green
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If we have the worst record in the NBA, then Favors/Kanter/Gobert aren't good enough. Who cares what they think? They had a year to do something, and at least one of the didn't respond.
Randle will live at the line this year. He's just not stoppable at 6'9 - 255lbs with handles and a perimeter shot.
All players understand the concept of BPA, btw.
Depends on the ego.
However, I don't think the players take it as a slap in the face unless your team is picking later 1st round where BPA gets much murkier.
If you have the right player.. they're always motivated to be the BPA at their position on the team, knowing the team is always going to take BPA in the draft.