Tacoma Ute
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The question is aimed at what you think will happen as opposed to what you want to happen.
Will KOC trade one of our bigs this offseason?
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Stifle Tower
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Nope. Too many unknowns.
If we were ABOLSUTELY certain Kanter was ready to start, Millsap would sign an extension and Favors could play >25 mins at a high level AND without getting into foul trouble, then Jefferson would be expendable. Even so, KOC would need to sign another mid-quality big to play 10-15 mins, more if there are injuries. Can never count on 3 players to ALL play 82 games. Last thing I want to see is a guy like Collins or Elson come in and play 20+. That's like just forfeiting the game.
It will be delicate balancing minutes, but I see Big Al staying until the deadline. Or, if Millsap doesn't sign an extension, I think we keep both the whole year. That at least gives Utah the ability to pay more than any other teams once they become FA's.
If we were ABOLSUTELY certain Kanter was ready to start, Millsap would sign an extension and Favors could play >25 mins at a high level AND without getting into foul trouble, then Jefferson would be expendable. Even so, KOC would need to sign another mid-quality big to play 10-15 mins, more if there are injuries. Can never count on 3 players to ALL play 82 games. Last thing I want to see is a guy like Collins or Elson come in and play 20+. That's like just forfeiting the game.
It will be delicate balancing minutes, but I see Big Al staying until the deadline. Or, if Millsap doesn't sign an extension, I think we keep both the whole year. That at least gives Utah the ability to pay more than any other teams once they become FA's.
t.work
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No, and I really don't think they should. I think you let the year play out and see how it goes, or at least wait until February to trade one of them. Depending on whether or not Jefferson improves on defense, among other things, you either keep him or you let him go after this upcoming season. Like MT16 said, you can't count on all three playing all 82 games. Keep them all for now.
I agree with MoTown16. I think that Utah keeps there team as is. I think that they have adjusted enough with some shooter, that it will open up the middle creating more room for big Al, Millsap, & Favors to go to work. Im actually quite excited to see what they do. Maybe try and add Brandon Rush and call it an off season
Weezur
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spycam1
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He was trying to use italics.
Weezur
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I know....it's compulsory to haze new members.
BluesRocker
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No cuz, wee iz goin to win da title dis year. Al and Paul are the best.
Funny it took this guy this long to make his first post.
Funny it took this guy this long to make his first post.
Fishsticks
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The conservative regime is done with. We all know we can't keep both. This regime is not stupid. There will be one more large trade.
green
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It is simple. With the new salary cap rules, Utah essentially has a hard cap. So, you have to play a little bit of Beane ball here, and get the best bang for your buck. You know Millsap wants around 10 million a year. Also, what are the chances that Al is willing to take a salary cut of 1/3 what he is currently making to bring him down to the 10 million dollar range? Not very likely. So, you can have a 19 and 10 guy for 12-14 million, or a 17 and 9 guy for 10 million.
Now let's take other factors into account. Who is more effective offensively? Millsap.
Who is a better "steals" guy? Millsap.
Who is better at running the offense? Millsap.
Who is a better team defender? Millsap.
Who is a more versatile player? Millsap.
So, you can get the better all-around player for less money. You now have to do something with Jefferson before the trade deadline or you lose him for nothing. The question becomes, what if you get close to the trade deadline and the Jazz are competing for home court. Will you be willing to trade Al then, when it could cost you millions in lost home playoff games?
Unless the only offers you are getting for Al are buckets of chicken, it makes no sense to have him on the team when the season starts. Especially if Kanter has a good summer league (which we might not see. The games are fun, but 99% of the work is done in the practices).
Now let's take other factors into account. Who is more effective offensively? Millsap.
Who is a better "steals" guy? Millsap.
Who is better at running the offense? Millsap.
Who is a better team defender? Millsap.
Who is a more versatile player? Millsap.
So, you can get the better all-around player for less money. You now have to do something with Jefferson before the trade deadline or you lose him for nothing. The question becomes, what if you get close to the trade deadline and the Jazz are competing for home court. Will you be willing to trade Al then, when it could cost you millions in lost home playoff games?
Unless the only offers you are getting for Al are buckets of chicken, it makes no sense to have him on the team when the season starts. Especially if Kanter has a good summer league (which we might not see. The games are fun, but 99% of the work is done in the practices).
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Which offense?
Because if we're running an inside-out, "pound it to Al and wait for the double" offense, then clearly Al Jefferson is much better at drawing the double than Millsap. Al is our best ISO player on this team, and it isn't really close. Theres not a single player he can't get a shot up against (sometimes has trouble against Gasol and Bynum), whereas Millsap goes through ebbs and flows as we all know (drops >20 on Gasol, Nowitzki, others, only to lay consecutive lemons against Boris Diaw).
Don't get me wrong, I want Jefferson to be traded as well, but some posters seem to consistently disregard what Al Jefferson offers to this team. As far as the offense is concerned, its not Al's fault that Corbin ants to run it in that manner.
Stifle Tower
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The only offers we get for Al might be over-priced vets. That is, after all, the reason why teams want expiring contracts. Do we, for example, take Hedo and a 1st from Orlando? It would need to be a good deal like KOC was able to do with Harris for Marvin Williams, i.e. a player we'd target as a FA, if he were available. Otherwise, we're better off letting him walk. I know that sounds odd, but having $20M in cap space next season is far more desirable than having a mid-level starter (or two) at deals far exceeding their values.
Jazz can afford to re-sign Mo, if he's effective, have Marvin opt-in, have the young 4, re-up Millsap, have two 1st-rounders, and still go after a veteran in FA. But we can't do that if trading Al leaves us with undesirable long-term salaries.
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I voted for the trade of Millsap. I think Millsap has more value on the trade market because of his smaller cap hit. I also think the Jazz would be more willing to trade Millsap. The Jazz traded for both Marvin Williams and Mo Williams so far. What do they have in common? They can both hit the spot up three! Teams have to double team Al Jefferson because he truly is a great low post scorer. By surrounding him with three point shooters, I have reason to believe that we are going to attempt an inside-out game. If that is our strategy Jefferson>Millsap. Also, Jefferson is not undersized.
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I just realized I posted basically the same thing as Dalamon. My bad.
Brown Notes
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The thing is, the Jazz are probably not in a spot where there is a truly safe option. Regardless of what happens everything is a gamble in some way.
It's just about where you want to put your chips. IMO you have to get behind all the guys you drafted. Last year was different in that they were all younger, had no playoff experience and the lockout prevented any cohesiveness to start out. Jefferson was a great crutch in hindsight. Now it's time to lay the burden on the players that have the most invested in them.
I will be shocked if Al is still here opening night.
It's just about where you want to put your chips. IMO you have to get behind all the guys you drafted. Last year was different in that they were all younger, had no playoff experience and the lockout prevented any cohesiveness to start out. Jefferson was a great crutch in hindsight. Now it's time to lay the burden on the players that have the most invested in them.
I will be shocked if Al is still here opening night.
NotDeadYet
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Only if KoC thinks the trade will improve the Jazz. He's not gonna just "dump" either of them; not his style...
Nor should he. Kanter hasn't earned or proven **** yet. You don't go into the season with 3 bigs and change. If Kanter proves he can score, defend, and play 20 minutes a game without getting winded after 15 games then you move a big for a 4th man. Right now, Kanter has nothing but potential. If he can't hack it, we'll need Al and Millsap. Kanter is worthless if he can't keep up, he barely made it through a shortened season, and was eating turds for a good chunk of it. I need to see a lot more from him before I'm convinced.
Chad Feldheimer
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No option to trade both?
Brown Notes
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I think Kanter has proven at least as much as Favors had going into last season. He was choppy and uncomfortable but his strengths clearly translated.