Will NYK picks be more valuable the Lakers picks?

[Handlogten's Heros]

They are rumored to be in on Hield... if its Hield for THT and Nunn and maybe a second... that deal costs them like 25M... if we do a deal like this:

Westbrook/THT 27/29 and swap 28

for

Beasley/Bogey/JC/Bev/Vando

It gives them an actual rotation... 3 starters and 2 bench guys. It costs them less than the Hield deal... and they actually have a shot at the title. Overwhelm them for those picks... we can likely get more picks by selling off pieces individually but none will have the upside those do.

 

[Elizah Huge]

They are rumored to be in on Hield... if its Hield for THT and Nunn and maybe a second... that deal costs them like 25M... if we do a deal like this:

Westbrook/THT 27/29 and swap 28

for

Beasley/Bogey/JC/Bev/Vando

It gives them an actual rotation... 3 starters and 2 bench guys. It costs them less than the Hield deal... and they actually have a shot at the title. Overwhelm them for those picks... we can likely get more picks by selling off pieces individually but none will have the upside those do.

Lakers have to add 1.6M to that Hield deal to even work. Wenyen Gabriel works if they added him. They still add 5.6M total worth of salary which puts them into the even higher luxury tax bracket. Then even more because they’d have to replace the two they are losing in a 3 for 1 deal.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lakers have to add 1.6M to that Hield deal to even work. Wenyen Gabriel works if they added him. They still add 5.6M total worth of salary which puts them into the even higher luxury tax bracket. Then even more because they’d have to replace the two they are losing in a 3 for 1 deal.

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I guess this is the deal actually. If there are no picks involved is Indy just that serious about clearing Hield's money. Our offer could be a lot better than that (unless they love Turner).

 

[Elizah Huge]

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I guess this is the deal actually. If there are no picks involved is Indy just that serious about clearing Hield's money. Our offer could be a lot better than that (unless they love Turner).

That deal doesn’t make any sense for Indiana unless they are getting picks.

 

[rjfan]

NOP controls their draft right now... they need to talk a mega star into signing outright in 2025 or 2026 to be good in 27-29. I'm telling yall... the Lakers picks will be better than the Knicks picks.

I mean, considering the Knicks trade 6 picks and 2 young guys for us (with just one of them being RJ, Toppin or Grimes), in the reality that the cap space have another big spike going forward (and that"s a discussion that been there for a while) they'd possibly still have ways to clear cap for another guy in a year or two moving out of Randle contract (Maybe Robinson If needed too ?). A forever 12th to 14th placed Knicks may not be attractive to stars, but a 6th to 8th with some young guys around their prime (one that once heads into NY may rise as one of the most popular faces in the league), that could be another history, then it's just cap maneuver. That could never happen, like the Knicks actually getting to be good, lol, but isn't out of the picture for me.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

At this point I think the Lakers are set up to be worse than the Knicks in 5 years. The Knicks are younger and have guys that still have some growth potential that they should be able to hold on to if they want.

The Lakers in 5 years could still have AD, but he'll be towards the end of his career. They will likely still be a free agent destination, so will add some more talent, but sometimes that works against them where they rely on free agency too much and make poor decisions because of it.

Have the reports for taking on Westbrook been for unprotected picks? I'm wondering if they would really do that? Last I heard Lebron and AD and Westbrook decided to give it another go.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Have the reports for taking on Westbrook been for unprotected picks? I'm wondering if they would really do that? Last I heard Lebron and AD and Westbrook decided to give it another go.

That's why you have to overwhelm them imo. Sending 4 rotation players is huge for them. They could win the title with some health luck... even if they gave up the number 1 pick in one of those years the trade is a success for them. Their roster is so so so bad right now.

 

[LogGrad98]

At this point I think the Lakers are set up to be worse than the Knicks in 5 years. The Knicks are younger and have guys that still have some growth potential that they should be able to hold on to if they want.

The Lakers in 5 years could still have AD, but he'll be towards the end of his career. They will likely still be a free agent destination, so will add some more talent, but sometimes that works against them where they rely on free agency too much and make poor decisions because of it.

Have the reports for taking on Westbrook been for unprotected picks? I'm wondering if they would really do that? Last I heard Lebron and AD and Westbrook decided to give it another go.

Hell AD might be at the end of his career now. He can't stay healthy for longer than a 10 game stretch. Won't be much more of that before he calls it quits I am sure. He got his token super-team ring, so he could retire with everything he wanted. I could see it happening sooner rather than later if his injuries keep up like that.

 

[Miggs]

Think about it.... If we trade Don to NY and they have Brunson, RJ and some other stuff... are their picks going to be more likely to be higher than the Lakers picks. LA doesn't own their own picks until 27 and 29. Lebron is old... AD is fragile... it may be scorched earth in 27/29... choose wisely.

Is Don being traded to LA in this LS scenario?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Is Don being traded to LA in this LS scenario?

No… but I do think in a Don trade you might acquire something that is of great value to LA that might push that trade over the ledge… like Trent Jr. or Max Strus. We probably have enough on our own to do it but that might be part of the value in dealing with a non-NY team and honestly I think the Lakers picks have a much better chance of being lotto or high lotto picks in the 27-29 period.

 

[Miggs]

No… but I do think in a Don trade you might acquire something that is of great value to LA that might push that trade over the ledge… like Trent Jr. or Max Strus. We probably have enough on our own to do it but that might be part of the value in dealing with a non-NY team and honestly I think the Lakers picks have a much better chance of being lotto or high lotto picks in the 27-29 period.

It’s tough. If they get guys like Strus and Trent who are young and can somehow have Davis relatively healthy every other year for the next 7-8 years (he’s only 29) and Lebron keeps playing for another 5-6 years (I think I’ve heard him talk about Brady and what he does and having the desire and hope to mirror that), then the picks might not be worth much. Idk. That’s tough. Sort of an interesting “gamble” to take.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It’s tough. If they get guys like Strus and Trent who are young and can somehow have Davis relatively healthy every other year for the next 7-8 years (he’s only 29) and Lebron keeps playing for another 5-6 years (I think I’ve heard him talk about Brady and what he does and having the desire and hope to mirror that), then the picks might not be worth much. Idk. That’s tough. Sort of an interesting “gamble” to take.

I mean they had those guys this year and how'd it turn out. AD is broken now... how he gonna be in 5 years. Even Lebron has started to wear down... in 5 years if he is still playing he won't be anywhere near what he is.

The gamble on LA's side is that they land someone if FA, but FA has changed as more and more guys lock in early on extensions and such. Lakers couldn't get anyone to take their money until Lebron went there.

 

[Miggs]

I mean they had those guys this year and how'd it turn out. AD is broken now... how he gonna be in 5 years. Even Lebron has started to wear down... in 5 years if he is still playing he won't be anywhere near what he is.

The gamble on LA's side is that they land someone if FA, but FA has changed as more and more guys lock in early on extensions and such. Lakers couldn't get anyone to take their money until Lebron went there.

I get it but sometimes athletes are weird and healthier in the second half of their career. And while Lebron has worn down, he averaged 30.3 on 52%/35.9%, 8.2 rebounds, 6.2 assists, 1.2 steals and 1.1 blocks this past year. It’s risky. I’m just now sure how much.

 

[whatthe]

If we trade for Russ then keep him and trade him at the deadline again for more picks. I don't care if we just get one pick from LA but having him as an asset at the trade deadline or at next year's draft for a team that wants to dump salary maybe a smart move.

 

[idiot]

If we trade for Russ then keep him and trade him at the deadline again for more picks. I don't care if we just get one pick from LA but having him as an asset at the trade deadline or at next year's draft for a team that wants to dump salary maybe a smart move.

Second option can't be done (can't move an expiring after the trade deadline, if I understand correctly). As for the first, why would anyone send an asset our way for Russ at his salary?

 

[whatthe]

Second option can't be done (can't move an expiring after the trade deadline, if I understand correctly). As for the first, why would anyone send an asset our way for Russ at his salary?

If we take on more salary - i.e. a salary dump. Timing is key.

 

[Coach Ellis]

If we trade for Russ then keep him and trade him at the deadline again for more picks. I don't care if we just get one pick from LA but having him as an asset at the trade deadline or at next year's draft for a team that wants to dump salary maybe a smart move.

If the Jazz manage to facilitate a Russell Westbrook trade for assets, I don’t see any way the he would want to play for a tanking Utah Jazz. Also, I’m not sure I’d want him in my locker room even for half a season - I’m worried his type of negativity could set back any of the young guys that may turn out to be worth keeping.

Nope. Take your pick(s) and be thankful that you added another asset. Work out the buyout and end things with him on positive terms. Let him move on, and just be thankful that there’s revenue sharing and a punitive luxury tax that allows the Jazz owner to make such a move without it being a debilitating, crippling decision that runs the team off to Las Vegas or Seattle.

 

[Coach Ellis]

As to the OP question, I think the Knicks picks (unprotected) will be the best value the Jazz can get for Donovan Mitchell. Orlando would be a close second if they came in with a competitive package.

With that said, the Jazz should absolutely try to trade for the Lakers pick(s) because they could bottom out too. They should try to add assets anywhere they possibly can this off-season so they can start building it back up next offseason.

 

[YoungJefe]

Think about it.... If we trade Don to NY and they have Brunson, RJ and some other stuff... are their picks going to be more likely to be higher than the Lakers picks. LA doesn't own their own picks until 27 and 29. Lebron is old... AD is fragile... it may be scorched earth in 27/29... choose wisely.

The only issue with the Lakers picks is that they're one of the few franchises in professional sports that can fail forward. They've shown the ability to acquire elite, top tier talent via free agency/trades consistently. So it's basically impossible to project what they'll look like that far down the road because even if they don't make any great draft picks there's still always the possibility that they'll just add 2 top tier guys through other means and be a contender.

I mean they just blew their load for Russ last offseason and may parlay that into landing Kyrie Irving. So over the course of a year they really turned Kuzma, Harrell, KCP, 21st pick into Westbrook and then may flip Westbrook and 2 1sts in the distant future for an All-NBA player in his prime. So all in all they essentially will have traded Kuzma/Harrell/KCP/3 1sts for Kyrie.

The Lakers are also set to have a 1st in 2023, 2024/2025, and 2026 so they're really only missing one pick over the next four draft cycles as they'll get their own pick/NOP pick in 2023, either their 2024/2025 pick depending on if NOP defers or not, and their own 2026 pick that they can't currently trade.

New York on the other hand hasn't shown the ability to build a consistent winner for decades at this point. They've picked in the lottery in 8/9 years with the only exception being 20/21 during the shortened season and Randle playing like a slightly worse version of LeBron James for 70 games somehow. In the scenario that the Knicks traded for Donovan and extended Barrett, they'd have like $110M tied up into Don/Brunson/Randle/Barrett for the foreseeable future with limited draft capital and basically no cap space to make any tweaks around them.

 

[YoungJefe]

As to the OP question, I think the Knicks picks (unprotected) will be the best value the Jazz can get for Donovan Mitchell. Orlando would be a close second if they came in with a competitive package.

With that said, the Jazz should absolutely try to trade for the Lakers pick(s) because they could bottom out too. They should try to add assets anywhere they possibly can this off-season so they can start building it back up next offseason.

The only issue I have with that is I don't really see many scenarios that we'd get their 2027/2029 1sts but we'd have to give up Beverly, Bojan, and/or Clarkson/Beasley in any Westbrook trade. I think we can get better value moving those 4 guys in separate deals then a 1st in 5/7 years.