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Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

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NPC D4617 said:
You really need to read the finer details and stop getting caught up in the nonsense posted on this board.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

"So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election"

All these charges are either unrelated to Trump and Russia collusion or were in direct result of conducting the investigation in the first place. Meaning, people wouldnt have lied had there not been a witch hunt in the first place.

I hope Trump pardons every single one of these people.
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So you are ok with people committing crimes and getting away with it. Good to know.

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NPC D4617 said:
People get charged for smoking weed. You ok with that?
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Yep. I have been charged with possession (luckily I was only 17 at the time)
Break the law and get caught, then you receive the punishment.

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fishonjazz said:
Yep. I have been charged with possession (luckily I was only 17 at the time)
Break the law and get caught, then you receive the punishment.

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Lamo.

Liar.

I dont believe you.

Charging people for smoking weed is a stupid *** offense, and its really the government who is in the wrong committing a crime against humanity. I dont stand 100% behind the government or laws. I think some laws are ******** and are meant to be broken and changed.

There were stupid laws that made slavery legal. There were slave codes that were laws against people who were slaves. I guess you would have been ok with them back then too, right?

P.S. You can try, but you wont win this argument. Its not winable. You are just doing it to go against me.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep. I have been charged with possession (luckily I was only 17 at the time)
Break the law and get caught, then you receive the punishment.

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**** this. Im not being genuine here. I don't think anyone should be arrested for some weed.
Cause I don't think weed should be illegal.

I do think that lying under oath and obstruction of justice and **** like that should be illegal though therefore I have no problem with this investigation finding some guilty parties and them being punished

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NPC D4617 said:
Lamo.

Liar.

I dont believe you.

Charging people for smoking weed is a stupid *** offense, and its really the government who is in the wrong committing a crime against humanity. I dont stand 100% behind the government or laws. I think some laws are ******** and are meant to be broken and changed.

There were stupid laws that made slavery legal. There were slave codes that were laws against people who were slaves. I guess you would have been ok with them back then too, right?

P.S. You can try, but you wont win this argument. Its not winable. You are just doing it to go against me.
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See my post below yours. I must have been typing it while you were posting this post.

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Stoked said:
Yes and no. I think it should be fully legal. Now.

But it’s not and until it is...

But some of the sentencing for it is abysmal (being kind) and needs to be retroactively fixed.
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Slaves had laws too...

I guess it was only right they obeyed the laws right? A law is a law..
 
NPC D4617 said:
Slaves had laws too...

I guess it was only right they obeyed the laws right? A law is a law..
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So of the 37 indictments stemming from the investigation what laws do you think shouldn't exist?

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fishonjazz said:
**** this. Im not being genuine here. I don't think anyone should be arrested for some weed.
Cause I don't think weed should be illegal.

I do think that lying under oath and obstruction of justice and **** like that should be illegal though therefore I have no problem with this investigation finding some guilty parties and them being punished

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I dont think its as cut and dry as you make it sound. There is a ton of nuance and context that matters when it comes to lying under oath and 'obstruction of justice'.

What is justice? The justice system doesnt always get it right.

If you did nothing wrong but had to lie or else you were going to prison for some BS charges, then I see nothing wrong with lying. Every instance deserves its own critique. If some evil bastard is coming for you and trying to ruin your life even though you are innocent, you owe them or the 'justice' system absolutely nothing.
 
NPC D4617 said:
Slaves had laws too...

I guess it was only right they obeyed the laws right? A law is a law..
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Jesus. This is like that argument comparing all abortions to the rare life endangerment cases.

Come back with a real argument.
 
NPC D4617 said:
I dont think its as cut and dry as you make it sound. There is a ton of nuance and context that matters when it comes to lying under oath and 'obstruction of justice'.

What is justice? The justice system doesnt always get it right.

If you did nothing wrong but had to lie or else you were going to prison for some BS charges, then I see nothing wrong with lying. Every instance deserves its own critique. If some evil bastard is coming for you and trying to ruin your life even though you are innocent, you owe them or the 'justice' system absolutely nothing.
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I agree

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fishonjazz said:
So of the 37 indictments stemming from the investigation what laws do you think shouldn't exist?

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Stoked said:
Jesus. This is like that argument comparing all abortions to the rare life endangerment cases.

Come back with a real argument.
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Im not Jesus. But if I were, you'd be going to hell.

Jk.

I give you a bigger brain so you could make better and more logical arguments.
 
So after reading Barr's summary, or whatever it's called, it states pretty clearly that first no criminal collusion was found. The second thing it says is that because no criminal collusion was found there is no clear case for obstruction because there was no underlying crime (collusion). However, in that statement it makes pretty clear that had evidence of collusion been found then obstruction charges would have also been made.

So the difference between Trump and Nixon is that in Nixon's case there was a crime (Watergate) and Nixon obstructed the investigation into an actual crime. Trump obstructed the investigation into a crime that didn't happen.

So it seems the debate on that is settled? You can't obstruct justice if there is no actual crime. Obstructing the investigation into a possible crime is not criminal.
 
The Thriller said:
It’s funny that you say this. You realize that Barr wrote a memo attacking mueller as a partisan hack and claiming that the probe should be ended. You knew this, right? You know that trump has attacked Mueller on nearly a daily basis, right?
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Are you attempting to make a point?
 
Bulletproof said:
So after reading Barr's summary, or whatever it's called, it states pretty clearly that first no criminal collusion was found. The second thing it says is that because no criminal collusion was found there is no clear case for obstruction because there was no underlying crime (collusion). However, in that statement it makes pretty clear that had evidence of collusion been found then obstruction charges would have also been made.

So the difference between Trump and Nixon is that in Nixon's case there was a crime (Watergate) and Nixon obstructed the investigation into an actual crime. Trump obstructed the investigation into a crime that didn't happen.

So it seems the debate on that is settled? You can't obstruct justice if there is no actual crime. Obstructing the investigation into a possible crime is not criminal.
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And this is a good thing right? Please tell me you arent disappointed that our president isnt a Russian asset
 
NPC D4617 said:
And this is a good thing right? Please tell me you arent disappointed that our president isnt a Russian asset
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I'm happy he isn't. There was a debate during the investigation weather or not you could obstruct justice if no crime had been committed independent of the obstruction. So far the conclusion seems to be that you can't. Although I'd only try that if you're wealthy and/or powerful. I'm pretty sure regular people get convicted of obstruction when they otherwise aren't charged with a crime.
 
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