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will you watch the jazz the rest of the season if the sit on their hands

Hotttnickkk said:
Aww man.. can you stop making sweeping statements like that?

Go and have a look in close games, when nothing's on, who do they pass the ball to and who bailed them out numerous times?

KOC isn't stupid. He's not keeping Al around just for kicks.
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Agree.
I'm ok with no moves being made. And here's why:
1) Jazz need to keep one of the bigs. Yes, I do want Favors starting. But he often gets into foul trouble at 20-25 mins. Kanter is still inconsistent. I'd be ok with him coming off the bench as long as he gets 20-25 mins. If Jefferson AND Millsap leave as FA's, do we suffer through the likes of Collins, Elson, Fesenko, etc. as our third big getting 30 mins/per? And what about injuries? What if we're down to just Kanter or Favors and a couple of scrubs? Our 4th big can be one of our draft picks. But our position of strength can easily become a big weakness with both bigs leaving.
1A) Jazz may want to re-sign Millsap. Or they may want to keep Jefferson. AS they say, it takes two to tango. Until negotiations begin, they have no way of knowing which one really wants to stay or if one would rather leave - not to mention the price tag for each of them. Keep both through the deadline and they maintain leverage and can offer an additional year for either.
2) Mo Williams: KOC loves him. The Millers love him. He'll be back. We already know that. If Burks is viewed as a possible combo guard, picking up mins at the BACKUP PG position, then Bledsoe isn't an option.
2A) Bledsoe might come cheaper this summer. If/when the Clippers sign CP3, Bledsoe will want a trade. We'll have a couple of picks to offer LA if they want to go that route.
3) Cap space. Only Marvin will be "wasting" cap space next year. With no trades right now, the Jazz will be one of the few teams able to offer big money to FA's, or to free up money for other teams wanting to offload a veteran. Houston parlayed their cap space into some nice additions, GS added Jack. Those are just a few examples of what a team can do by preserving their cap room until mid-level FA's have few options.

Also, rumors have flown around about Jefferson and Millsap. You know the Jazz have been busy exploring trade options. I'll be excited if something happens, but not devastated if KOC/Lindsey decide the return wasn't good enough or that preserving cap space was the better option.
 
I'm fine with no trade but I don't want Sap or Al back. If one comes back it means Kanter will be a bench player into his 6th year. Puke.

Spend some money on a Carl Landry as your 3rd big.
 
Durrrr said:
I'm fine with no trade but I don't want Sap or Al back. If one comes back it means Kanter will be a bench player into his 6th year. Puke.

Spend some money on a Carl Landry as your 3rd big.
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This. Cheap, decent, backups. We have our future starters.
 
Durrrr said:
I'm fine with no trade but I don't want Sap or Al back. If one comes back it means Kanter will be a bench player into his 6th year. Puke.
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Having 3 quality bigs worked pretty well for the Lakers. Having one of the team's 3 best players coming off the bench worked pretty well for San Antonio.
 
GVC said:
Having 3 quality bigs worked pretty well for the Lakers. Having one of the team's 3 best players coming off the bench worked pretty well for San Antonio.
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Great observation. Ginobli off the bench is quite a weapon. I'd be ok with Kanter off the bench next year; he can still get 30+ mins if he's up to that. And who's to say the role might be reversed in 2-3 years with Millsap or Jefferson? Either of those two could come off the bench. Besides, I'm less concerned with who starts than with who is playing with 3 mins left in a close game. So many people concentrate on the starting 5 with little regard for the other 3 you need in the rotation. It's surprising, really, given the performance of our bench this season in bailing out the starters. If the Jazz step up to the next level, the starters will be expected to play even with the likes of OKC, SA, Miami, etc. And with no superstars on the Jazz, it could again be the depth of our bench vs. the roster fillers that those teams have to use, that may determine the outcome of games.

Every team needs a core 8 in some combination. For the Jazz, that means 3 bigs, 3 wings, a starting PG and a short-min backup PG. For other teams that might mean 3 guards (with one being a combo PG/SG), 2 centers and 3 forwards (one being a combo SF/PF). There are other variations, but generally when teams shorten their rotations for the playoffs, 6 players get 30-38 mins., 1 player gets around 20-25 and 1 will get 15-20.

Core eight of the Jazz:
Bigs: Favors, Kanter and Jefferson or Millsap
Wings: Hayward, Burks, TBD (Carroll? or draft pick)
PG's: Mo + TBD (I'd like to see Mo as the backup eventually)

Depth: Foye, Tinsley, Evans, draft picks (4th big, young PG?), vet FA's
 
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GVC said:
Having 3 quality bigs worked pretty well for the Lakers. Having one of the team's 3 best players coming off the bench worked pretty well for San Antonio.
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We dont have the money to put into a 3 big rotation that LA had.

Manu fills a different need and position, the need/position Hayward or Burks fills.

Point is we can't spend 60% of our payroll on our 3 big rotation (assuming a $65 Million payroll) I think that's insane. 12 for Kanter 12 for Favors and $16 for Al.

Not wise IMO and why we won't do it. Sap is more plausible ( but still too much in that three big rotation) but I don't think he wants to be here.

We also run the risk of Favors or Kanter being more expensive than we think right now.
 
I'd love a 3-man rotation of Kanter-Favors-Millsap if they can sign Millsap at a tradeable salary.
 
Durrrr said:
We dont have the money to put into a 3 big rotation that LA had.

Manu fills a different need and position, the need/position Hayward or Burks fills.

Point is we can't spend 60% of our payroll on our 3 big rotation (assuming a $65 Million payroll) I think that's insane. 12 for Kanter 12 for Favors and $16 for Al.

Not wise IMO and why we won't do it. Sap is more plausible ( but still too much in that three big rotation) but I don't think he wants to be here.

We also run the risk of Favors or Kanter being more expensive than we think right now.
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Those numbers won't hit for 3 more years. Assume we give AL a 4-yr deal. Year 1 is next season; Kanter and Favors are still on their rookie deals. Favors gets his big raise in 2 years, then Kanter in 3. That only leaves 2 years of paying Al, Favors and Kanter those salaries. If Kanter merits $12M, that means he's a near all-star and you trade Al at that point. That gives the Jazz 3 years to bring in and develop a young big to assume the role of the primary 4/5 backup.
 
MoTown16 said:
Those numbers won't hit for 3 more years. Assume we give AL a 4-yr deal. Year 1 is next season; Kanter and Favors are still on their rookie deals. Favors gets his big raise in 2 years, then Kanter in 3. That only leaves 2 years of paying Al, Favors and Kanter those salaries. If Kanter merits $12M, that means he's a near all-star and you trade Al at that point. That gives the Jazz 3 years to bring in and develop a young big to assume the role of the primary 4/5 backup.
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3 more years of Al on the offense? I just really, really.....really, hate that idea.
 
Jazzfan0124 said:
3 more years of Al on the offense? I just really, really.....really, hate that idea.
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I know, but I think that's where we're headed. And if it's 3 years of the Al we've seen the last couple of weeks, I'll be ok with that. The OKC and GS games were absolute gems to watch. Jazz were out running and passing the ball around - with Big Al in the lineup. Has he turned the corner in terms of understanding he doesn't have to shoot every time he touches the ball?
 
MoTown16 said:
I know, but I think that's where we're headed. And if it's 3 years of the Al we've seen the last couple of weeks, I'll be ok with that. The OKC and GS games were absolute gems to watch. Jazz were out running and passing the ball around - with Big Al in the lineup. Has he turned the corner in terms of understanding he doesn't have to shoot every time he touches the ball?
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I just puked in my mouth. I really hope you are wrong.
 
MoTown16 said:
I know, but I think that's where we're headed. And if it's 3 years of the Al we've seen the last couple of weeks, I'll be ok with that. The OKC and GS games were absolute gems to watch. Jazz were out running and passing the ball around - with Big Al in the lineup. Has he turned the corner in terms of understanding he doesn't have to shoot every time he touches the ball?
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If you ever have a chance to bet against "has 8-year player finally turned the corner?" You do it every single time.
 
Anyway, I've missed the vast majority of this season out of complete lack of interest of combing through 15 minutes of a 2.5 hour broadcast. If they don't trade a big I will be canceling my cable.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Did you actually watch the GSW game? Hayward is turning into a reliable 6th man before our eyes. Favors is scoring & getting to the line at will - He'll start next season no questions asked. Burks has a new found composure. Kanter will get minutes next year.

And that's only 1/2 the season gone!

It's been frustrating watching them grow with limited minutes, but to say that "Nothing has changed" is just not true.
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I agree, and god knows I've gone off on the deep end after a couple games, but the youth are playing more lately. My only worry was that it was injury forcing Ty's hand. But even though I still sigh every time I see the same ****ing starting lineup I thought last night was a good sign for the young guys getting quality minutes. Still wish Carroll would get Marv's minutes, but Marv had an ok game yesterday.
 
GVC said:
What about their style of play do you find enjoyable?
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The athleticism, all their players know their roles, the pure scoring ability of Durant and Westbrook, the fast breaks and the dunks, and at times the chaos that it all creates. Plus, Durant is simply one of my favorite superstars regardless of sport.
 
But as far as their actual offensive sets go...they definitely lack creativity. Old Scotty Brooks relies a lot on Durant and Westbrook to beat defenses purely with talent.
 
honz said:
But as far as their actual offensive sets go...they definitely lack creativity. Old Scotty Brooks relies a lot on Durant and Westbrook to beat defenses purely with talent.
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the "everyone stand around and hope something good happens" offense. Houston's "read-and-react" is a much more disciplined variant, as is Atlanta's "swing-the-ball-like-mad-until-a-seam-opens-up" offense. meh.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Aww man.. can you stop making sweeping statements like that?

Go and have a look in close games, when nothing's on, who do they pass the ball to and who bailed them out numerous times?

KOC isn't stupid. He's not keeping Al around just for kicks.
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he shows up for 2-3 minutes a game.

go watch his non existent defense.
which falls apart with jefferson anchoring it.
there is more to basketball than offense
 
MoTown16 said:
Those numbers won't hit for 3 more years. Assume we give AL a 4-yr deal. Year 1 is next season; Kanter and Favors are still on their rookie deals. Favors gets his big raise in 2 years, then Kanter in 3. That only leaves 2 years of paying Al, Favors and Kanter those salaries. If Kanter merits $12M, that means he's a near all-star and you trade Al at that point. That gives the Jazz 3 years to bring in and develop a young big to assume the role of the primary 4/5 backup.
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are you sure about those numbers.
did i miss something wherent rookie contracts 3 years
 
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