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William Jefferson Clinton: We have Too Many People in prison

CNN)President Bill Clinton on Wednesday conceded that over-incarceration in the United States stems in part from policies passed under his administration.

Clinton signed into law an omnibus crime bill in 1994 that included the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes. On Wednesday, Clinton acknowledged that policy's role in over-incarceration in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour.

"The problem is the way it was written and implemented is we cast too wide a net and we had too many people in prison," Clinton said Wednesday. "And we wound up...putting so many people in prison that there wasn't enough money left to educate them, train them for new jobs and increase the chances when they came out so they could live productive lives."

Clinton's comments come on the heels of protests in Baltimore over policing and the death of a young black man there and a week after Hillary Clinton delivered one of the first policy addressees of her presidential campaign on criminal justice reform, saying that the system focuses too much on incarceration.

"Keeping them behind bars does little to reduce crime, but it does a lot to tear apart families," Hillary Clinton said last week. "Our prisons and our jails are now our mental health institutions."

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As first lady, Clinton helped push the omnibus crime bill in public, calling it a "well-thought out crime bill that is both smart and tough" in a 1994 interview.

She said that the crime bill would keep violent offenders locked up "so they could never get out again" and touted the "three strikes" provision specifically.

"We will finally be able to say, loudly and clearly, that for repeat, violent, criminal offenders: three strikes and you're out. We are tired of putting you back in through the revolving door," Clinton said in 1994.

On the heels of nationwide protests in Baltimore, Clinton and other politicians are now turning their attention away from "tough on crime" policies to those focused on lowering prison populations and providing more opportunities for low-income areas, where tensions with police have boiled over in Baltimore and other cities.

In the interview Wednesday, the former president didn't completely take the blame for those crime policies, though, pointing to Republicans who strongly pushed the "three strikes" provision.

"But I wanted to pass a bill and so I did go along with it," Clinton said, referencing the legislation that put more police officers on the streets, increased prison funding and banned assault weapons and large ammunition magazines.

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Clinton's administration did attempt to reform the Republican proposal of that policy, but he and his administration touted the benefits of the "three strikes" provision included in the legislation he signed.

Clinton said he agreed with his wife's new bent on criminal justice reform and called bipartisan support for those types of reforms "one of the most hopeful things."

"I mean, going from conservative Republicans to liberal Democrats and the people in between saying there's too many people in jail and we're not doing enough to rehabilitate the ones you could rehabilitate," Clinton said. "We're wasting too much money locking people up who don't need to be there."


Link for those who think i made up this wall of text:

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/06/politics/bill-clinton-crime-prisons-hillary-clinton/index.html


atleast he didnt blame the republicans :D


would be funny if the people choose a demographic symbolic president hillary. and she abolishes the 3 strikes :D
 
I absolutely agree with this.

another thing, we have some states like Nevada with corporate prison industries dependent on a variation of slave labor: potheads serving inordinate long sentences working at below minimum wages with no "benefits" producing stuff that is put on the market, knocking out legitimate businesses.

Knowing Nevada "justice" I believe the judges get a kickback for sending people up.
 
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I also agree that to many people are in prison. To many idiotic laws
 
I dont get your prison culture. In UK minor crimes arent a big deal and you can still get a job after let out. So like here if you hit a copper its up to six years in prison I heard. In UK the coppers want to beat your *** and most dont care if you wallop them to get away. If they catch you maybe you do 6 months for something else but are coppers are tough men that will never admit taking a kick or a punch hurt them. They would get laughed out of the precinct by their governor if nobody else.

Thats why we dont need coppers with guns. We dont consider crime like you guys do.
 
So like Americans always tell me how they smoked pot and stuff in college. In UK we wax nostalgic on how we smoked pot and rioted after football games and punched coppers trying to keep the Queen's peace. The pot part is a lie and everyone knows it because you're stoned but we were drunk as piss off 20 pints.
 
Classic Clinton. "I tried my best, but because my hands were tied it did not turn out the way it should have if they had just listened to me, so you are going to have to elect Hillary to fix what I tried to fix, even though I knew it was only going to partially work." Like a used car salesman selling you a car and than trying to sell you the tools to fix it.

The Clinton political equivalent of the "extended warranty."


Congress and the Clinton Administration knew exactly what was going to happen. The cocaine epidemic was in full swing and the resulting crime, particularly in the urban areas, was rampant. This was a concerted effort to clean the urban areas up. The bill sought to put 100k more officers on the street and had 10 billion bucks earmarked to build new prisons. You have to be a complete idiot to buy this line of BS of feigned "we had no idea" this was going to happen. Sorry, dude, "My gun was loaded, I pointed it at your head and pulled the trigger. I had no idea why your brains are splattered all over the wall."

Hell, the US military was was deep into areas in South America on various drug interdiction missions. Nearly everybody was on board. The entire Black Caucus voted for the bill.

There is no debate that there are folks in prison for low-level drug possession, etc., the media narrative contains at least one story of an individual caught up in the drug laws. There is little doubt that this should be rectified, somehow, someway and that in many instances the punishment does not fit the crime. No argument there.

However, here is a link to an alternative view..

https://www.slate.com/articles/news...new_theory_for_why_so_many_americans_are.html

By the way, if you don't think those in power knew what they were signing up for that is fine, than let this be a caution to you in terms of getting yourself all up in a lather in the misguided belief that every time you think there is something needs to be fixed, that Congress should run right out and solve it for you.

Another gem,

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/08/...o-search-for-an-answer-to-mounting-crime.html
 
I dont get your prison culture. In UK minor crimes arent a big deal and you can still get a job after let out. So like here if you hit a copper its up to six years in prison I heard. In UK the coppers want to beat your *** and most dont care if you wallop them to get away. If they catch you maybe you do 6 months for something else but are coppers are tough men that will never admit taking a kick or a punch hurt them. They would get laughed out of the precinct by their governor if nobody else.

Thats why we dont need coppers with guns. We dont consider crime like you guys do.

again british coppers are big fat female felines.
 
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that will be a total 16 years of a demographically symbolic democcratic president.

more and more of Murica will look like detroit:)

Too bad ole Jeb ain't runnin'. Then he could fix us good like his brotha did. Maybe we could invade N. Korea this time. And Russia!
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#cite_note-85

Iraq War[edit]
On October 11, 2002, Clinton voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq, commonly known as the Iraq War Resolution, to give President Bush authority for the Iraq War.[85]

By February 2007, Clinton made a point of refusing to admit that her October 2002 Iraq War Resolution vote was a mistake, or to apologize for it, as anti-war Democrats demanded. "If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from," Clinton told an audience in Dover, New Hampshire.[86]

In the second Democratic debate of the 2008 presidential race, Clinton said that she voted for the resolution under the impression that Bush would allow more time for UN inspectors to find proof of weapons of mass destruction before proceeding. Reporter Carl Bernstein and others have questioned why Clinton would have voted against the Levin Amendment, which would have required President Bush to allow more time to UN weapons inspectors and also would have required a separate Congressional authorization to allow a unilateral invasion of Iraq, if her vote was simply a vote for strong diplomacy.[87][88][89]

During an April 20, 2004 interview on Larry King Live, Clinton was asked about her October 2002 vote in favor of the Iraq war resolution.

Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since. No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade.... The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration. It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared.

But, she said, the Bush Administration "really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take place when a serious decision occurs like that."[90]

The whole section on the Iraq war is pretty interesting. It shows a cut and run from a firm stance for to a waffling stance against to please constituents and claims of "well I was tricked" kind of ********, right after acknowledging they were acting on the same intel the Clinton administration had. Entertaining read.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#cite_note-85



The whole section on the Iraq war is pretty interesting. It shows a cut and run from a firm stance for to a waffling stance against to please constituents and claims of "well I was tricked" kind of ********, right after acknowledging they were acting on the same intel the Clinton administration had. Entertaining read.


I mean this as a general comment and not a statement for or against Hilary Clinton - but isn't it better to have leaders who are willing to modify and evolve their positions as new information comes to light or situations evolve rather than thise whose positions stay fixed no matter what?
 
An interesting take. One glaring omission: Due to the increase in mandatory minimum, Truth-in-Sentencing, habitual offender and other sentencing laws/legislation that tie judges' hands, DAs have much more power in the judicial process. It's more than a little disingenuous to suggest/imply that changes in sentencing policy haven't been a key driver of the growth in incarceration (AND overall corrections at ~7million people), even if the effect is indirect.
 
I mean this as a general comment and not a statement for or against Hilary Clinton - but isn't it better to have leaders who are willing to modify and evolve their positions as new information comes to light or situations evolve rather than thise whose positions stay fixed no matter what?

To me it depends on motivations to do so. Is it because they really believe differently because they have learned and grown as a person, or because if they stick to what they believed and refused to throw anyone under the bus it will hurt their chances to become President, or did they vote that way originally because they do whatever it takes to get elected or get ahead or whatever? This is what makes it tough to buy anything a politician says.
 
To me it depends on motivations to do so. Is it because they really believe differently because they have learned and grown as a person, or because if they stick to what they believed and refused to throw anyone under the bus it will hurt their chances to become President, or did they vote that way originally because they do whatever it takes to get elected or get ahead or whatever? This is what makes it tough to buy anything a politician says.

You're an intelligent person. Why do you care if they say what they need to say to get elected? It wasn't said for your vote...
 
You're an intelligent person. Why do you care if they say what they need to say to get elected? It wasn't said for your vote...

It is the idealist in me. Hoping that at some point we get some leaders with integrity. My deeply held personal opinion is a quasi-religious one, that lack of morals plays a role in shaping society, especially among those we put in place to lead. And then going with the plumber's maxim: **** rolls downhill. It we put more **** in high places it is just more **** to rain down on us all.
 
It is the idealist in me. Hoping that at some point we get some leaders with integrity. My deeply held personal opinion is a quasi-religious one, that lack of morals plays a role in shaping society, especially among those we put in place to lead. And then going with the plumber's maxim: **** rolls downhill. It we put more **** in high places it is just more **** to rain down on us all.


i'm with you, but sorry bro wont happen.

i never voted in my live never will until that happens
 
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