Wilson Chandler?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Zach Lowe put out a "35 Crazy Predictions" article and he said he thinks the Nuggets will trade Chandler or Gallianri this year. He said in years past, the Nuggets have been asking too much for either, but said he could see them coming down on offers for Chandler this year. He said the thinks they have been asking for 2 first, or a first and a quality young player. So if the comedown from that is just a quality young player, or just a so/so young player and a first, can we get him?

I've always been a big fan of Chandler. I think he could be our back-up PF who also plays back-up SF. Our wing rotation could be Hayward/Burks/Hood/Chandler, with Chandler getting the least minutes at the wing of that 4, but him also getting significant backup 4 minutes. This would mean Trevor Booker is relegated to the bench, or very limited playing time, which is sad because we all love Booker.

Here is a game of Chandler playing PF, being guarded by Griffin (for a lot of the points):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTalLtr65o

I know he is a fairly up and down 3pt shooter over his career, but he can shoot it and has to be respected. It would definitely add a dimension to our offense that we don't currently have.

The question is, what would we be willing to part with?

Trey Lyles and OKC's 1st Rounder? Would that get it done? I'd be willing to do that.

 

[NAOS]

a first-rounder and a second-rounder.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

a first-rounder and a second-rounder.

You wouldn't give up Lyles?

For context, Chandler just signed a 4 year extension worth a little over 10 million a year (he cant even be traded until January), which is going to be gold in the next CBA (IMO). So if we traded for Chandler with the idea of him being our back-up PF/SF, there really wouldn't be any significant developmental minutes for Lyles during his rookie contract.

 

[framer]

He just signed a three year extension so I'm not sure he is going to be dealt soon. Nuggets would try to extract more from the Jazz because we are in division AND they looked bad after the Gobert fleecing. I'd still bet that it would still take two firsts would get it done, and I bet Denver wouldn't allow for a lot of pick protection games.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He just signed a three year extension so I'm not sure he is going to be dealt soon. Nuggets would try to extract more from the Jazz because we are in division AND they looked bad after the Gobert fleecing. I'd still bet that it would still take two firsts would get it done, and I bet Denver wouldn't allow for a lot of pick protection games.

Ahh, 3 year extension, 4 years left on deal.

Nuggets are a team that has resisted tanking. They signed Gallinari and Chandler to value extensions. No point in letting them hit UFA for nothing and risking having to pay them the new upcoming market value if they have good years. Also harder to trade guys who are going to be on the last year of their deal and going into UFA. Lowe pointed out they might consider it if they lose a lot early, which they should.

As far as trades, I think Lyles and a draft pick (lottery protected) would be fair. Lottery picks are pretty valuable these days, and Lyles does fill a position of need (especially if they deal Fahried which there has been rumors of the Nuggets trying to do). The Jazz's pick this year, if not in the lottery, won't be anything above 20, so it will still have pretty good value. It's not like Chandler is a blue chip starter. He is very clearly a 6th man type player.

Think about what OKC really got for Reggie Jackson, who is actually starting caliber. Basically all OKC got from Detroit in that deal was Kyle Singler and Detroit agreeing to send us Kendrick Perkisn to facilitate the Kanter trade. So they got Kanter (6th man type flawed player who no one else wanted really wanted to trade for) and Singler (low minutes role player) for a young starting PG with promise.

 

[spycam1]

Not the worst idea.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Assuming Nuggets do this trade and figure out a trade for Fahried (I think it would be wise, the guy isnt a good fit next to Nurkic and he looks like he has more upside than Fahried), their starting lineup next year would look like this:

Mudiay
Potentially a high draft pick from 2016
Gallinari
Lyles
Nurkic

I mean, I would be pretty excited about that lineup if I'm a Nuggets fan. Maybe they draft a guy like Ingram/Murray/Brown/Newman on the wing (or combo guard) and you are looking a team that has 4 really versatile players and a big center. Then use the later draft picks to fill out the bench, maybe sign a free agent in the off-season with cap-space instead of starting Lyles or a rookie, you could have a good team pretty quick with only a 1 year tank.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ahh, 3 year extension, 4 years left on deal.

Nuggets are a team that has resisted tanking. They signed Gallinari and Chandler to value extensions. No point in letting them hit UFA for nothing and risking having to pay them the new upcoming market value if they have good years. Also harder to trade guys who are going to be on the last year of their deal and going into UFA. Lowe pointed out they might consider it if they lose a lot early, which they should.

As far as trades, I think Lyles and a draft pick (lottery protected) would be fair. Lottery picks are pretty valuable these days, and Lyles does fill a position of need (especially if they deal Fahried which there has been rumors of the Nuggets trying to do). The Jazz's pick this year, if not in the lottery, won't be anything above 20, so it will still have pretty good value. It's not like Chandler is a blue chip starter. He is very clearly a 6th man type player.

Think about what OKC really got for Reggie Jackson, who is actually starting caliber. Basically all OKC got from Detroit in that deal was Kyle Singler and Detroit agreeing to send us Kendrick Perkisn to facilitate the Kanter trade. So they got Kanter (6th man type flawed player who no one else wanted really wanted to trade for) and Singler (low minutes role player) for a young starting PG with promise.

I like Chandler but I worry about his durability. I think the trade price is a bit steep. I'd give them a top 5 protected 2016 pick and an extra second or Tibor or some sweetner. I think Booker would end up in the deal to help match salaries up. I would work to keep Lyles.

I think I'd rather pursue Covington out in Philly with that type of package. Better shooter, but may not be big enough to play small ball 4... it's close. I think he could be a Middleton type that could pull it off in spots. Not sure about his availability though.

 

[stitches]

If they cost about the same I'd take Gallo instead of Chandler methinks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If they cost about the same I'd take Gallo instead of Chandler methinks.

Everyday. I don't think they cost the same though. I think Gallo might be too big for the role we would have him play, but that is probably fine since he is resigned.

I think he is viewed as more of a core piece.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If they cost about the same I'd take Gallo instead of Chandler methinks.

They wouldn't.

Also, it would be impossible to put contracts together to match what Gallinari makes to make the trade eligible. He is getting like 17 per year once his extension kicks in.

I think Lyles/Booker is close enough to be valid for Chandler, but not for Gallinari (besides the point though because he would cost more, unless he gets another major injury, and if that's the case I wouldn't want him).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I like Chandler but I worry about his durability. I think the trade price is a bit steep. I'd give them a top 5 protected 2016 pick and an extra second or Tibor or some sweetner. I think Booker would end up in the deal to help match salaries up. I would work to keep Lyles.

I think I'd rather pursue Covington out in Philly with that type of package. Better shooter, but may not be big enough to play small ball 4... it's close. I think he could be a Middleton type that could pull it off in spots. Not sure about his availability though.

Covington hasn't played a minute of meaningful basketball in his NBA career and is a terribly inefficient player inside the 3pt line. I struggle to concede his a better shooter after 1 year of shooting it well form deep. He is also a good deal lankier and less athletic than Chandler, from what I've seen. Not sure he can handle backup 4 minutes as well as Chandler.

 

[fishonjazz]

I absolutely love Chandler.
I would rather have him than gallo.

I would give allot for him

 

[fishonjazz]

They wouldn't.

Also, it would be impossible to put contracts together to match what Gallinari makes to make the trade eligible. He is getting like 17 per year once his extension kicks in.

I think Lyles/Booker is close enough to be valid for Chandler, but not for Gallinari (besides the point though because he would cost more, unless he gets another major injury, and if that's the case I wouldn't want him).

Would love to get him for Booker and lyles. That would be a steal

 

[NAOS]

You wouldn't give up Lyles?

For context, Chandler just signed a 4 year extension worth a little over 10 million a year (he cant even be traded until January), which is going to be gold in the next CBA (IMO). So if we traded for Chandler with the idea of him being our back-up PF/SF, there really wouldn't be any significant developmental minutes for Lyles during his rookie contract.

I think Lyles could be just as good or better. And I think we can find minutes for him even with Chandler.


(Also, see HH's post. Spot on. Again.)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Covington hasn't played a minute of meaningful basketball in his NBA career and is a terribly inefficient player inside the 3pt line. I struggle to concede his a better shooter after 1 year of shooting it well form deep. He is also a good deal lankier and less athletic than Chandler, from what I've seen. Not sure he can handle backup 4 minutes as well as Chandler.

I haven't watched him enough, but he isn't ineffecient. Has a higher PER than Chandler and shoots a lot of threes at 37.4 % also a good free throw shooter. He is absolutely a better shooter than Chandler.

Everything else you said is true. He plays on a joke of a team, but makes a lot of contested threes. think if you put him with real players he might explode. Has a really high RPM which is weird for players on bad teams. Has a high steal rate too. Basically he's one of those analytical darlings.

Looked for weight measurements on him and he appears similar to Chandler, but the eye test tells me that Chandler is much thicker. He has a similar rebound rate. I think there is a higher upside. He is Detroit Khris Middleton right now... think he could be Milwaukee Khris Middleton if given a chance.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I do agree with Cy though... this is the type of player we would need. A ready now 4 who gives us some flexibility.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sure, Lyles could be good. I just don't know if it's wise for the Jazz just to sit around hope all their young guys maximize themselves rather than going out and getting a player that is already maximized and can help the team reach their potential.

When we drafted Kanter a lot of people thought he would turn into this big with great range that would spread the floor and such, but it never materialized. Waiting on people to become shooters is risky.

 

[NAOS]

Sure, Lyles could be good. I just don't know if it's wise for the Jazz just to sit around hope all their young guys maximize themselves rather than going out and getting a player that is already maximized and can help the team reach their potential.

When we drafted Kanter a lot of people thought he would turn into this big with great range that would spread the floor and such, but it never materialized. Waiting on people to become shooters is risky.

Dude, I'm all for getting Chandler. I just don't think that sending them Lyles (a pick from the most recent lottery) and a future first-round pick constitutes "coming down" from Denver's initial demands. I also don't want to get rid of Lyles for a player with Chandler's history.

If Denver is offloading him, it's for future considerations. Give them those. Develop Lyles.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I haven't watched him enough, but he isn't ineffecient. Has a higher PER than Chandler and shoots a lot of threes at 37.4 % also a good free throw shooter. He is absolutely a better shooter than Chandler.

Everything else you said is true. He plays on a joke of a team, but makes a lot of contested threes. think if you put him with real players he might explode. Has a really high RPM which is weird for players on bad teams. Has a high steal rate too. Basically he's one of those analytical darlings.

Looked for weight measurements on him and he appears similar to Chandler, but the eye test tells me that Chandler is much thicker. He has a similar rebound rate. I think there is a higher upside. He is Detroit Khris Middleton right now... think he could be Milwaukee Khris Middleton if given a chance.

He plays for the Sixers, I'm not going to giv much credence to anything they do with their wacky system where they jack up shots and push a ridiculous pace that results in a lot of stats for Covington since he is their only capable wing.

1 year of shooting doesnt trump the solid years of shooting Chandler has put up. One year he shot 41% from deep. Clearly that's an outlier, but we have no idea to know if Covington's year will also be an outlier. We are talking about a guy who plays in a lot of blowouts for the Sixers man.

I don't hate him and I would take him if we could get him, but I'd rather have the more battle proven Chandler.