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I was just trying to help. Those are all affordable and popular attractions. Tourist traps or not many people from other countries come down to see them. It's just a matter of preferences and I'm just giving ideas. More than anyone else has because you guys would rather talk **** then contribute. I knew PKM would have suggestions but not everyone has money laying around like he does.

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Actually I texted JTT on the side and offered him my time share (1-2 bedrooms, kitchen, washer/dryer) at just $50 a night in whichever western location Marriott has that he'd want to go, so eat a fat one.
 
If you're driving, Southern California makes more sense time wise. Unless they get that freeway open by then, from Vegas to Phoenix. If it's fringe cold weather season, Southern Utah is a better vacation spot.
 
If you're driving, Southern California makes more sense time wise. Unless they get that freeway open by then, from Vegas to Phoenix. If it's fringe cold weather season, Southern Utah is a better vacation spot.

I'm thinking sometime between December and February. What's Southern Utah weather like then?
 
Warm weather, hiking, biking, pool, good food, affordable, all stuff that I can do with a couple of 3 and under kids.

Peeks beat me to it. Tucson would be a good home base if you wanted to go to AZ. Southern Utah is great, though.
 
We enjoyed Phoenix with younger kids. I can't remember the parks names but I think it might have been the Sonoran Preserve with short hikes to see saguaro cactus. There was a earthen building with a great lookout point, which was pretty cool from the POV of someone who lives in an area without urban sprawl. The "mountains" in Phoenix' sprawl look like an oddity to someone like me. There's a train park there as well that was fun for the kids. The train ride was like $6, there's a playground (always a hit), and a pretty cool train track museum. All three of my boys have gone through a train phase young so it was fun for them.

Pretty much relaxing, easy family stuff. I'd plan on spending some time in Lake Mead area to break up the drive. That's a really cute little town.
 
If you want to do "amusement park" type things, Phoenix is a better bet. Doing Historical/Nature type things, you want to be in Tucson.

Things I like:

Pima Air Museum. Seriously one of the coolest things most people do not know about. Basically they have every aircraft the military has ever flown. Where else are you going to touch an SR-71 Blackbird. Many of the museum workers actually flew the aircraft they are speaking about, although we are starting to run short of WW2 vets :(

Sabino Canyon. If you are not committed to a few mile hike, this is the most pretty and accessible point to enjoy the Tucson desert experience. It has trams and allows for hiking much like Zion's. It is a very different desert experience from Southern Utah.

Tombstone. If you are a history buff, especially a Western history buff, this is a must do. It is a bit Tourist Trappy though.

Titan Missile Museum. Cold War era missile bunker that you can explore. If you were a child of the 70's or 80's this would mean a lot more. I actually got to turn the "Armageddon" key.

The food. OMG the different types of Mexican food are tremendous. Eat everything but the menudo. If you haven't eaten menudo by now, it isn't for you. Trust me. . .

If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them.
 
I might have to go to Tucson this winter. We have been thinking bout Hawaii or Baja California, but flying with kids sucks. And it's expensive. We could drive to Tucson for a week and do airbnb or something.

I've got a work thing in Reno in December, so we will likely spend some time in nocal after that. Tucson in February would be fun, especially if that dude from game if thrones is there too.
 
Going to Croatia and Poland this summer. Cheap vacations. You can rent a 5 bedroom house for a week on the beach for 600 euros.
 
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