Withey accused of domestic violence

[JimLes]

The statistics and the way these cases go about implore the importance of believing the victim-- we have seen worldwide the outcome of victim-blaming and it's ugly.

You should never, EVER believe the accuser. We should always believe the accused until overwhelming evidence proves otherwise. Our whole legal system rests on that idea and it should stay that way.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Does anyone believe Jeff would do this from the limited access we have to his personality? I mean I know he went to Kansas, but he just doesnt seem like that dude.

 

[kiri.de.carlos]

He's good looking? lol

Uh, yeah.


Ak and Memos love child is delicious to look at.

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[JimLes]

Does anyone believe Jeff would do this from the limited access we have to his personality? I mean I know he went to Kansas, but he just doesnt seem like that dude.

Character witnesses and looking at people's personality is an even worse travesty of justice than the idea of automatically believing the accuser.

 

[NAOS]

Does anyone believe Jeff would do this from the limited access we have to his personality? I mean I know he went to Kansas, but he just doesnt seem like that dude.

If you think you can deduce the important truths here, based on what you have access to, then you're gawddamn crazy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Character witnesses and looking at people's personality is an even worse travesty of justice than the idea of automatically believing the accuser.

Yes, I would not want that defense in the court of law. Am I allowed to ask it in a matter of opinion or does that make me a domestic violence enabler?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If you think you can deduce the important truths here, based on what you have access to, then you're gawddamn crazy.

I never claimed to deduce truths. I just asked on what people know about Withey if they see it being true. I know it's probably a bad question and pretty much anyone can be capable of anything despite the appearance they put on for the public. It's a hard question to completely ignore when you are thinking about it, for better or worse.

 

[JimLes]

Yes, I would not want that defense in the court of law. Am I allowed to ask it in a matter of opinion or does that make me a domestic violence enabler?

You're wondering about someone's guilt or innocence and I'm just pointing out that logically, what you're talking about has nothing to do with whether someone is innocent or guilty.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You're wondering about someone's guilt or innocence and I'm just pointing out that logically, what you're talking about has nothing to do with whether someone is innocent or guilty.

And I agree with you.

 

[NAOS]

I never claimed to deduce truths. I just asked on what people know about Withey if they see it being true. I know it's probably a bad question and pretty much anyone can be capable of anything despite the appearance they put on for the public. It's a hard question to completely ignore when you are thinking about it, for better or worse.

lol

 

[JAZZGASM]

Cappy's personal guarantee is that somebody paid this woman to do this now as a hopeful distraction, or to try and get Jeff temporarily suspended. Don't believe for a minute that this is just attention grabbing.

Kind of funny that somebody in the clips organization or possibly just a wealthy LA fan is this scared of the Utah Jazz. I hope it backfires and Withey comes out does his best Rudy impersonation for 3 straight games.

I heard a couple of Bost..er..Clipper fans did it. They also plan to get Joe Johnson drunk before game 3, which will turn into a kidnapping.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

If she's so concerned about her safety while Withey's in L.A. wouldn't she stay with a friend or leave town? If I were in her shoes (not literally speaking because I would probably trip and fall wearing heels) and if Withey really is a violent guy I would assume pressing charges against him would royally anger him which would only increase the odds of him wanting to harm her.

I'm wondering if he's been in contact with her since the break-up and has been harassing her? If he has, I'm sure she would likely have proof. And if Withey has left her alone then I don't see why she would fear for her safety.

Also, one would think if she wanted to get away from him while she was with him, she wouldn't trash him publicly when he went on the date with another woman but would instead use it as an opportunity to get away from him/dump him. I hope the accusations aren't true and if they are Withey should be charged, but my gut is telling me something isn't right - like she wants to ruin him for cheating on her and she wants him to suffer further.

And here's an example demonstraing one of my points. How we IMAGINE we would act in such a situation has no relevance to how someone actually acted. There is no script one must follow, no actions one must check off to satisfy those who think they know how they'd act in such a situation. (But as they are typically speaking in the abstract, they -- you-- actually have NO idea how you'd act were something like this happen to you.) Every situation is different, everyone is different.

I concede that there is some unkown like there somewhere that is a red flag for 'suspicious' activity or non-activity by an accuser, but I contend that we don't know where that line is, and certainly YOU don't.

I do not know if Withey is guilty or innocent, but I do know that how society treats women who accuse men of domestic/sexual abuse is shameful and needs to change.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And here's an example demonstraing one of my points. How we IMAGINE we would act in such a situation has no relevance to how someone actually acted. There is no script one must follow, no actions one must check off to satisfy those who think they know how they'd act in such a situation. (But as they are typically speaking in the abstract, they -- you-- actually have NO idea how you'd act were something like this happen to you.) Every situation is different, everyone is different.

I concede that there is some unkown like there somewhere that is a red flag for 'suspicious' activity or non-activity by an accuser, but I contend that we don't know where that line is, and certainly YOU don't.

I do not know if Withey is guilty or innocent, but I do know that how society treats women who accuse men of domestic/sexual abuse is shameful and needs to change.

What about how society treats the accused? Is there any punishment for false accusations that still ruin a person's reputation?

 

[David Stern]

I'm not going to attack the accuser by any means, but I've said multiple times in the past that she is crazy, and that was my opinion of her before this story. He could very well be guilty, and if so props to her for finally reporting it. Or she's completely psycho. Only time will tell

 

[Quin's Murderface]

And here's an example demonstraing one of my points. How we IMAGINE we would act in such a situation has no relevance to how someone actually acted. There is no script one must follow, no actions one must check off to satisfy those who think they know how they'd act in such a situation. (But as they are typically speaking in the abstract, they -- you-- actually have NO idea how you'd act were something like this happen to you.) Every situation is different, everyone is different.

I concede that there is some unkown like there somewhere that is a red flag for 'suspicious' activity or non-activity by an accuser, but I contend that we don't know where that line is, and certainly YOU don't.

I do not know if Withey is guilty or innocent, but I do know that how society treats women who accuse men of domestic/sexual abuse is shameful and needs to change.

Every claim should be treated seriously, but with healthy skepticism. The justice system is designed to protect people from being falsely convicted even at the expense of sometimes letting guilty people go free. So until strong evidence comes out it is only fair to treat Withey as innocent. Of course if video or other strong evidence (witness testimony, other women coming forward etc) comes out at some point then it would make sense to take a side to some degree as an observer.

The timing of this is definitely something else that should be looked in to, and any motives that she might have to lie should be fully explored. You can't let emotions get involved in an investigation like this. You have to give room the either side is not being truthful in order to seek true justice for both parties. It is immoral to immediately show prejudice for one side or the other. Too often people want to infuse some politically charged ideological point into these kinds of issues.

 

[kabenac]

And here's an example demonstraing one of my points. How we IMAGINE we would act in such a situation has no relevance to how someone actually acted. There is no script one must follow, no actions one must check off to satisfy those who think they know how they'd act in such a situation. (But as they are typically speaking in the abstract, they -- you-- actually have NO idea how you'd act were something like this happen to you.) Every situation is different, everyone is different.

I concede that there is some unkown like there somewhere that is a red flag for 'suspicious' activity or non-activity by an accuser, but I contend that we don't know where that line is, and certainly YOU don't.

I do not know if Withey is guilty or innocent, but I do know that how society treats women who accuse men of domestic/sexual abuse is shameful and needs to change.

It's called common-sense, action and reaction, and psychology. For example, you can tell a parent they have no clue how it feels to lose a child if they never have, but I'm certain a parent who never lost a child would agree it would be the worst thing ever. Yet with your way of thinking you claim they wouldn't know this because they haven't experienced it.

To say 'noone can judge, noone can make an educated assumption, noone can have an opinion' toward a situation just because it didn't happen to us is stupid. If that was the case, everyone on trial would be presumed unable to judge because everyone else didn't experience the exact same thing they did.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

And here's an example demonstraing one of my points. How we IMAGINE we would act in such a situation has no relevance to how someone actually acted. There is no script one must follow, no actions one must check off to satisfy those who think they know how they'd act in such a situation. (But as they are typically speaking in the abstract, they -- you-- actually have NO idea how you'd act were something like this happen to you.) Every situation is different, everyone is different.

I concede that there is some unkown like there somewhere that is a red flag for 'suspicious' activity or non-activity by an accuser, but I contend that we don't know where that line is, and certainly YOU don't.

I do not know if Withey is guilty or innocent, but I do know that how society treats women who accuse men of domestic/sexual abuse is shameful and needs to change.

I'm looking at the evidence or little evidence I have and the timing is glaring and can't be missed, and u can't ignore the truth that athletes are often wrongly accused of this kind of thing all the time. I seem to see at least one or two stories a year of athletes being exonerated of these types of charges. While there isn't a script for how a victim handles it. This is the exact script for a female targeting a pro athlete. There is reason to not trust her 100%

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

How should the Jazz handle this? I've noticed they havent had any press release regarding the accusation. Should they respond to it? Should they suspend Withey due to the allegations?

 

[♪alt13]

How should the Jazz handle this? I've noticed they havent had any press release regarding the accusation. Should they respond to it? Should they suspend Withey due to the allegations?

I think they should let the legal process play out. That should be their position, imo.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I'm looking at the evidence or little evidence I have and the timing is glaring and can't be missed, and u can't ignore the truth that athletes are often wrongly accused of this kind of thing all the time. I seem to see at least one or two stories a year of athletes being exonerated of these types of charges. While there isn't a script for how a victim handles it. This is the exact script for a female targeting a pro athlete. There is reason to not trust her 100%

People are wrongly accused of all sorts of crimes and bad acts. Yet, in those cases, society does not necessarily have a well-established traditon of maligning the accusers.

I find it continuously fascinating how in cases where sexual abuse is charged, people (and predominantly men) focus so much on the relatively few cases where bogus charges are made while ignoring the overwhelming number of cases where the charges are valid. Why is this? Charges of sexual abuse are, and have, been treated differently than other purported crimes. I have my theories as to why this is the case (e.g., it has in large part to do with vestiges of partiarchical society and traditional power asymetries), but I think it's a question we all should be asking ourselves.