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Woj: Jazz agree to 3-team trade with Lakers and Timberwolves

Also, Cleveland’s first in 2025 isn’t as valuable as the Lakers pick either. Donovan will still be under contract and I doubt that pick ends up anywhere near the lottery. As far as perceived value goes. Anything can happen as we all know.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Not to mention that we'd inevitably be overpaying for someone like Kuzma out of desperation and turning him into a fake 1st option when he's really a Robin... A.K.A. "The Zach LaVine Plan" .
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Or we do the Danny Ainge plan... the one he's used to build multiple contenders.

We had the option after a super successful season to pick our direction... and we picked the right direction. Ainge dominated this season and last offseason... we are upset he didn't do a 360 dunk when up by 35 with a couple minutes left.
 
Does Conley take 2 years to get "acclimated" in Minny like he did in Utah? If so those picks can still be pretty good. Maybe we just torpedoed Minny again.
 
Jazz Traveler said:
Nah, I think we tank next season. Can see us pulling a Golden State so we keep our first round pick instead of losing it to Oklahoma City. Could be a strong draft class in ‘24 if high schoolers end up in it. And I am totally convinced we will never see the first round pick from the Lakers. They will tank their butts off that year. This has to be about cap space and future moves but it really feels like we flushed assets down the toilet.
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That pick transfers all the way up to 2027 and is guaranteed to convert then (unprotected 1st) I think.. and we sure as hell dont want it to transfer to 2026 since thats when we have swap rights with both Cleveland and Minnesota.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
If we didn't make the trade we did who is on the playoff team next year? If we can't replace Mike/Vando/Beasley with what we get from 3 first rounders and like $40M in space then DA is really incompetent. If we take on ****** deals and suck for a year and miss the playoffs it will be intentional.
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Well, I've not claimed that at any point.

There are many here that make the case for the multi-year tank and are ready for the consequences of it. And then there's a lot of cakeism. We can have our cake and eat it. We'll absolutely get Wemby or we'll sure to be in the playoffs already next year - only three months of pain.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Next to the Sixers pick this season it's probably our worst 1st round pick asset if we had to rank them.
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I disagree. You have to take into account some version of probability that this pick will be good. For example, is this pick more likely to be better than say... MIN 25 or CLE 25? Or hell, even MIN 23? This pick is better than all of them IMO. MIN has been getting better lately and IMO that pick will very likely end up being around the 20 or maybe even in the 20s. Likelihood CLE 25 and MIN 25 are in the 20s is pretty high IMO, too. IMO the LAL 27 has very good chance at being a lottery pick that conveys to us.

Hell, if you want to put a discount on it because of the downside -MIN 29 is a worse pick because we don't even get a second if they are in the top 5.

So yeah... IMO LAL 27 is still better asset than MIN 23, MIN25, CLE25, maybe MIN 29, too...
 
Elizah Huge said:
How is the Lakers top-4 protected first in 2027 really any different than the Minnesota top-5 protected first in 2029 value wise? They both convey immediately to a second if the pick falls within the protection.
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I would say what was given up to get it, and the package surrounding it. The Minnesota top-5 protected is further out and is part of a bigger package. The Lakers one is the only real compensation we got for a reasonably valuable package of assets.
 
stitches said:
I disagree. You have to take into account some version of probability that this pick will be good. For example, is this pick more likely to be better than say... MIN 25 or CLE 25? Or hell, even MIN 23? This pick is better than all of them IMO. MIN has been getting better lately and IMO that pick will very likely end up being around the 20 or maybe even in the 20s. Likelihood CLE 25 and MIN 25 are in the 20s is pretty high IMO, too. IMO the LAL 27 has very good chance at being a lottery pick that conveys to us.

Hell, if you want to put high value on the downside -MIN 29 is a worse pick because we don't even get a second if they are in the top 5.

So yeah... IMO LAL 27 is still better asset than MIN 23, MIN25, CLE25, maybe MIN 29, too...
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Better than the Min 29 pick for sure, forgot about the protections on that one.

Uncertainty makes those picks more valuable. 2023 is now, so the immediateness of the pick makes it more valuable (also uncertainty with Wolves players healthy currently. I still think they have a ton of potential, but they cant even get healthy to work on it).
 
Elizah Huge said:
Also, Cleveland’s first in 2025 isn’t as valuable as the Lakers pick either. Donovan will still be under contract and I doubt that pick ends up anywhere near the lottery. As far as perceived value goes. Anything can happen as we all know.
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But that pick may turn into a second rounder, and there’s a fair chance that could happen
Mongoose said:
Does Conley take 2 years to get "acclimated" in Minny like he did in Utah? If so those picks can still be pretty good. Maybe we just torpedoed Minny again.
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Took him half a year really. He missed a month I think and finished strong his first year here and was an allstar his second year. Not sure where you come up with 2 years. Lmao
 
Korisfani said:
Well, I've not claimed that at any point.

There are many here that make the case for the multi-year tank and are ready for the consequences of it. And then there's a lot of cakeism. We can have our cake and eat it. We'll absolutely get Wemby or we'll sure to be in the playoffs already next year - only three months of pain.
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That's because there is no rule about not having cake and eating it too. The foundation of this team was Lauri, Kessler, JC, Mike... we have 3 of those guys still... maybe only 2 by the end of the day... the other guys helped but all are replaceable with the enormous amount of space and assets we have. We likely don't get Wemby or Scoot but we will have a lot more options available to us at 6 or 7 than we would at 12 or 13. So by asking someone to pinpoint exactly who we get you are being weird... I mean if I could tell you exactly who we will get why wouldn't I be using that crystal ball to make the zillions in Vegas lolz lmao... fact of the matter is you can get someone.... pinpointing a few guys right now is useless. If we don't get someone we will use the space to accumulate more assets and maybe the tank continues... but the sacrifice of Mike/Beasley/Vando doesn't really change the outcome of next season all that much.
 
HermanG said:
We have 2 (or 3) core players, one of them being an all star unicorn who still has room to develop

If none arrive in the summer... we will still lurk come next december... meanwhile developing those drafted rookies and our core further.
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I have trouble calling Ochai (presumably) "core". And I like him probably more than the average here.

IF the Jazz are out of the playoffs next year as well, Lauri has then been on Bulls teams with 27, 22, 22 and 31 wins, played one play-in with the Cavs and has been on two tanking Jazz teams. Then the probability is high, he's not with whatever the future contender is or is not. And there's a very large hole in the plans.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So by asking someone to pinpoint exactly who we get you are being weird...
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If someone is saying that the Jazz next year are gonna be in the playoffs, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to ask how that happens. And I've not heard anything else besides "well we probably tank anyway" in response yet.
 
Korisfani said:
If someone is saying that the Jazz next year are gonna be in the playoffs, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to ask how that happens. And I've not heard anything else besides "well we probably tank anyway" in response yet.
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I could see a quick rebuild through trades and moving up in the draft. If we get a top 5 pick that pans out well, and can bundle assets for an impact player, which is entirely plausible, and Lauri continues his upward trend, we could conceivably be in the mix next year. But that is a lot of ifs that have to happen. But it is not something with insurmountable odds.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I would say what was given up to get it, and the package surrounding it. The Minnesota top-5 protected is further out and is part of a bigger package. The Lakers one is the only real compensation we got for a reasonably valuable package of assets.
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What was given up to get it doesn’t change the value of it to other teams.
 
Korisfani said:
I have trouble calling Ochai (presumably) "core". And I like him probably more than the average here.

IF the Jazz are out of the playoffs next year as well, Lauri has then been on Bulls teams with 27, 22, 22 and 31 wins, played one play-in with the Cavs and has been on two tanking Jazz teams. Then the probability is high, he's not with whatever the future contender is or is not. And there's a very large hole in the plans.
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Thats a risk they are taking for sure. But in order to get better... you actually need to be getting better. Right?

I will ask you two questions. Please be honest.

How many of our players trended upwards during this year?
How many such players did we trade away?
 
Elizah Huge said:
What was given up to get it doesn’t change the value of it to other teams.
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I didn't read that in your post. You mentioned they both convey as 2nds so I read it as how is the value different to the Jazz. For other teams they are likely very similar.
 
HermanG said:
I will ask you two questions. Please be honest.
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I haven't been making any claims.

Other than that the chances of Lauri being with the Jazz in 24/25 or re-signing dropped considerably. And playing rookies next year further drops those. Adjust your rebuild scenarios accordingly.
 
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