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WOJ: Korver to Jazz for Burks and 2 second rounders

cowhide said:
Why are we giving up two seconds and Alec Burks for an old Kyle Korver? To save money. I know Korver is a fan favorite but Korver isn't the same player he use to be.
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He's shown almost zero decline.. not sure where people are getting this stuff from.
 
Pastramiking said:
Grayson is 10 times the natural athlete than Korver is and has and will have a more well-rounded game
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I'm not going to argue with that. But if Grayson could mimic the shooting success Korver has had, he'll be a fantastic player for a long time. The fact that Korver still has this much value after 16 years is pretty staggering.
 
Korver may only play 15-20 minutes a game... but I'll bet you he is in the closing lineups most nights.
 
I just got off work and saw this.

How does Korver change our possible options to add someone in free agency next year?

On the surface I like the move. Something definitely had to be done to change things and I'm glad DL didn't just sit on his hands. I don't think that Korver will instantly change all of our problems but hopefully he provides a spark for this team. His shooting certainly won't hurt.
 
Catchall said:
Burks is an inconsistent back-up SG who needs the ball in his hands and who doesn't always play defense. Plus he's expiring. The Jazz did well to get anything for him. What did the Lakers get back for Jordan Clarkson? Clarkson + Larry Nance = a broken Isaiah Thomas.

Burks' minutes are going to go to Exum, O'Neale and Allen.
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We should have moved O'Neal and two second rounders for Kyle 37 year old Korver.

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SCS said:
I just got off work and saw this.

How does Korver change our possible options to add someone in free agency next year?

On the surface I like the move. Something definitely had to be done to change things and I'm glad DL didn't just sit on his hands. I don't think that Korver will instantly change all of our problems but hopefully he provides a spark for this team. His shooting certainly won't hurt.
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Still can clear max space... worst case he gets a catastrophic injury... we can waive and stretch him with only a $1m cap hit.

We also may keep him... guarantee date is a few days after free agency opens. He's an easy guy to move if healthy. Solid use of space imo.
 
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mellow said:
Correction. LINDSAY doesn't use them. He doesn't value them and wastes them. Historically the Jazz lived off them. When you can't attract free agents the draft is the only way to bring in outside talent. When your team is tightwad cheap, second rounders provide cost effective roster spots.

When you tell the world your team is all about finding diamonds in the rough, it is nonsensical to give away your means of acquiring the diamonds.

As for valuation...the Jazz gave up two second rounders so they could have less cap flexibility (which is what I thought was Lindsey's #1 priority) and acquire a guy on his last leg. Maybe Lindsay was having a hard time getting other GM's to answer his calls after he finessed Gobert and Mitchell from Denver and flipping Hood for Crowder. So he had to take it in the shorts on this one so they other GM's would talk to him again.
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Yeah in the KOC days that was true. With the advanced scouting teams pour in today though its really hard to find a 2nd round gem. From 2013-2017, there's been one star 2nd rounder, Jokic. So 1 in 150 players taken, less than 1% chance. 2nd round picks are sold for 1 million or less every year, the Jazz can always buy back in.
 
Everyone focus on his age... his production is still basically better than his career averages. Ray Allen was a key piece on a contender at 37 and 38... could have played a few more years if he wanted.

I just think we are being super dumb here... stop listing his age... he's still bombing threes something we desperately need.
 
SCS said:
How does Korver change our possible options to add someone in free agency next year?
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UPDATED:

The Salary Cap for 2019-20 will be $109 million (up $7 million from this year). The luxury tax will be $134 million (up $8 million from this year). https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nba-sets-salary-cap-2019-20-2020-21-seasons-020033583.html

For 2019-20, we have the following contracts:
Gobert $25
Favors $16.9 (team option)
Ingles $12
Exum $9.6
Crowder $7.8
Korver $7.5 (only $3.4 guaranteed)
Mitchell $3.6
Allen $2.5
Bradley $2
Neto $2 (team option)
Niang $1.6 (team option)
O'Neale $1.6 (team option)
Draft pick cap hold $2
TOTAL: $95 million (if we picked up all team options)

Rubio $22.5 cap hold
Thabo $6.8 cap hold
Udoh $4.4 cap hold

The most cap space possible is $69 million if we sent all the team option guys packing and renounced all 3 unrestricted free agents. If we keep the logical guys (Korver, Niang, O'Neale and Neto) and let Favors and the 3 free agents walk, we have $77 million committed to 11 players plus the draft pick. That gives us $32 million of cap space which is enough for a max contract.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Yeah in the KOC days that was true. With the advanced scouting teams pour in today though its really hard to find a 2nd round gem. From 2013-2017, there's been one star 2nd rounder, Jokic. So 1 in 150 players taken, less than 1% chance. 2nd round picks are sold for 1 million or less every year, the Jazz can always buy back in.
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I mentioned earlier that you are absolutely not going to get a star in the 2nd round (well apparently you proved me wrong with Jokic), but there are plenty of solid rotation players to be had. And "advanced scouting". lol. I'm not buying that crap for a second. You aren't going to have 4th round Mark Eatons anymore, but scouting hasn't taken some kind of special leap forward in the last 20 years. It is still largely unpredictable how a prospect will actually turn out, and the lower into the draft the more unpredictable things get.
 
slc said:
And when Korver retires he can become Jazz shooting coach :cool:
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I'm still mad we didn't re-sign him in 2010. Actually, it boggles my mind to this day. He only cost 3/15 at that time. He should have been a Jazz lifer.

edit: And who did we replace Korver with? Raja Bell, who was 2 mil cheaper. The same locker room cancer prick Raja Bell who helped drive Jerry Sloan out.
 
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