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WOJ: Korver to Jazz for Burks and 2 second rounders

Alfalfa said:
Really? Of course it matters how much he plays. He'll provide better spacing for only 15 minutes out of the 48. Again, we didn't get him for free. We had another player playing that many minutes and producing at a decent rate.
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But it sounds like your argument is that spacing doesn’t matter until it reaches a heavy-minutes threshold.

I’m simply saying 15 is half of 30, not 0.
 
infection said:
When Donovan can't drive into the lane because the other team can pack the paint, if you pull one defender out of the mix who can never get anywhere near the paint, how does that show up in the box score? Oh, right. It doesn't.
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Spacing changes every play run, regardless of who puts up the shot(s). That’s why it’s a matter of near-obsession for me, besides all of the data that supports it.
 
infection said:
When Donovan can't drive into the lane because the other team can pack the paint, if you pull one defender out of the mix who can never get anywhere near the paint, how does that show up in the box score? Oh, right. It doesn't.
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Korver doesn't have that kind of gravity. He's an opportunist sharp shooter. Not Steph Curry. And he'll share the floor with Mitchell for only a few minutes a night since he won't start.
 
Anyway, I echo the frustration that this won’t change the Jazz’s fortune as much as it could and should because the starting lineup is still ****ing non-sense.
 
Alfalfa said:
Korver doesn't have that kind of gravity. He's an opportunist sharp shooter. Not Steph Curry. And he'll share the floor with Mitchell for only a few minutes a night since he won't start.
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If he doesn't have that kind of gravity anymore then this trade was huge! Just throw the ball to an open Korver every time down the floor. We wouldn't need him for more than 15 minutes per night, because we'd be blowing everyone out.
 
Alfalfa said:
Well, we lost some bench scoring. Bench scoring helps too. Korver will miss some games due to injuries (did I mention he's old?), and average less than 20 minutes in the games he plays. He also doesn't provide much beside hitting a three or two a game.

If it was some random player with Korver's production and age, you'd hear a collective ''meh'.

He could be a minor positive off the bench if the Jazz have more changes in mind. But for now, he doesn't really matter.
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He’s more durable than AB... I know he’s old but he doesn’t really get hurt. Played 73 games last year and I believe he missed 7 games because of the tragic death of his brother.

ABs production had fallen hard after his initial hot streak... we’ve seen it before. Even when Korver isn’t hitting he provides a ton of value when on the floor. If you look at Joes raw number or per 36 they are alright but we all know how impactful he is.

Last year Korver was 4th among SGs in RPM... he will have a greater impact than AB.
 
infection said:
If he doesn't have that kind of gravity anymore then this trade was huge! Just throw the ball to an open Korver every time down the floor. We wouldn't need him for more than 15 minutes per night, because we'd be blowing everyone out.
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He’s old now... he has to read the paper and take his fiber before he gets his shot off. His production has fallen waaaaaay off to just above his career averages. He’s not Steph or Klay... So who cares.
 
P.S. I'm just trolling with me comments about his looks. While I do not think he's good looking, I don't think he's bad looking and I'm just ****ing around.
 
Hasn't Korver been sitting out this week due to injury? I hope he's a good addition to the team, and I hope Burks has a wonderful time in Cleveland.

And FWIW, I think Burks is better looking. I've just never been an Ashton Kutcher fan.
 
JazzGal said:
Hasn't Korver been sitting out this week due to injury? I hope he's a good addition to the team, and I hope Burks has a wonderful time in Cleveland.

And FWIW, I think Burks is better looking. I've just never been an Ashton Kutcher fan.
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I read somewhere that they have been trying to finish the paperwork so he could play in Charlotte so I don't think there is an injury.
 
JazzGal said:
Hasn't Korver been sitting out this week due to injury? I hope he's a good addition to the team, and I hope Burks has a wonderful time in Cleveland.

And FWIW, I think Burks is better looking. I've just never been an Ashton Kutcher fan.
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The only injury in Cleveland is Tankitis... if you are good at basketball and can win games you getting on the injury report.
 
I don't know why this trade is getting so much hate.

We have 2 specialists on the entire team- Gobert rim protecter and Ingles with the 3. We hope Donovan emerges as a scorer. That's it. Everybody else is a role player. Korver provides an elite trait we sorely lack whereas being a great guy is a trait Burks has but it doesnt win ball games.

People get way way too attached to mediocre players here yet absolutely crush other mediocre players. Burks has been on the outs for seasons. Get over it.

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infection said:
My take:

I’ve said for years that Korver was our best wing defender. People have pointed out Matthews and that’s true but we only had him for one year. I have no idea why Korver got a bad rep for D. The does tend to happen to guys who are white, good shooters, and not athletic. In any case, I remember an Atlanta assistant (maybe even Quin?) rave about his D. I haven’t followed him at all so I have no idea where his D is at these days. With regard to him passing up shots to preserve the record, I know he acknowledged it, but it’s not something I ever remember happening. I do remember being frustrated that we never really embraced him as Sloan didn’t believe in the three, and he never shot it all that well (compared to his career) for his duration here, sans his limited attempt record.

He could see time at the 4.

I was pissed when we darfted Hayward and then let Korver walk. Always felt he was underrated. Now that Hayward is gone we bring him back. Sad to see Burks go. Hope he tears it up and gets to the all star game on a coach’s selection while Hayward watches from home.
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I remember a game where the other team stole the ball and ran a fast break. Korver was the only Jazz player that ran back on D -- he closed the gap on the dribbler and blocked the layup from behind.

I never understood why Sloan never had a player set a pick for Korver to set up his 3-point shot, but, like you said, Sloan didn't believe in the three.

I do remember Korver passing up open looks to protect his 3%, which pissed me off, but I still wanted him re-signed.
 
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