Worst coach in the league

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Rick Carlisle must be? After all he just lost to a team playing 2x rookies, 2x 2nd year players and 2x players that were just in D-League earlier this year. While having names like Dirk, Jason Terry, Vince Carter, Shawn Marion and Jason Kidd.

Not to mention all those 3's the Mavs made (Ty telling the players yeah sure give them the 3 ppsshh who cares) also all the FT's the Jazz missed (again it was Ty telling them meh miss FT's they aint important ppssshh who cares).

 

[JimLes]

Did you watch the game? If a player is driving the lane someone has to cut him off, that is going to leave someone open. We have to do a better job of not allowing players to penetrate (Terry and Dirk were getting anywhere on the floor at will). Allowing a 3 sucks, but it's better than letting a player getting a wide open layup.

How is it better to give up a three than a layup in those situations? When you're up 3, how is it better to give up an open 3 than an open layup?

Once again, the Jazz were up 9. It's not like I'm arguing for giving up layups instead of threes in a tied game. If the Mavs were forced off the three point line on just about any of those possessions at the end of regulation, the Jazz win before OT. It doesn't even matter if they hit their shots or not. It's not as if the Mavs suddenly turned up their defense. Both teams were scoring on nearly every possession, but that just doesn't work when you're hitting twos and the other team is hitting threes.

It's just that this has been the story all season. The Jazz defensive scheme as far as threes are concerned is to hope the other teams miss. Since this is a compacted season and players did not have a proper training camp, plus everyone is banged up and tired, it's worked alright. Except when a team can actually hit threes, in which case the Jazz still just watch and hope they miss. And that's just awful coaching.

 

[JimLes]

And again, who the **** doesn't foul when you're up three? That's just infuriating.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

How is it better to give up a three than a layup in those situations? When you're up 3, how is it better to give up an open 3 than an open layup?

Once again, the Jazz were up 9. It's not like I'm arguing for giving up layups instead of threes in a tied game. If the Mavs were forced off the three point line on just about any of those possessions at the end of regulation, the Jazz win before OT. It doesn't even matter if they hit their shots or not. It's not as if the Mavs suddenly turned up their defense. Both teams were scoring on nearly every possession, but that just doesn't work when you're hitting twos and the other team is hitting threes.

It's just that this has been the story all season. The Jazz defensive scheme as far as threes are concerned is to hope the other teams miss. Since this is a compacted season and players did not have a proper training camp, plus everyone is banged up and tired, it's worked alright. Except when a team can actually hit threes, in which case the Jazz still just watch and hope they miss. And that's just awful coaching.

An open layup has a near 100% completion, and open 3 is high %, but not nearly as high as a layup. The Mavs missed some opens 3's down the stretch too.

You still ignore the Jazz have one of the best 3pt defenses this year. I don't know why.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/defense-per-game/sort/threePointFieldGoalPctOpponent

10th in % allowed.

 

[Brown Notes]

Corbin Jefferson GRRRRR RABBLE RABBLE!!!



HAVE I NAILED

THE PERTINENT FACTS?

 

[JimLes]

You still ignore the Jazz have one of the best 3pt defenses this year. I don't know why.

That has nothing to do with this. I'm talking about adjustments. The Heat shoot the highest FG% in the league, and they still look like chumps against disciplined teams in the half-court. Being able to say they've got the best shooting percentage in the league will probably not be much consolation when they get knocked out of the playoffs.

It's great when you have something that works most of the time, but you gotta have some plan for when it doesn't work. The Jazz simply do not close out on 3pt shooters. What exactly IS the plan B when they start hitting them? What was plan B last night?

Oh, and for the record, in the timespan I was talking about, the Mavs were 5/7 from beyond the arc, and 0/2 inside it. One of those 2 was a layup.

 

[larryselbows]

That has nothing to do with this. I'm talking about adjustments. The Heat shoot the highest FG% in the league, and they still look like chumps against disciplined teams in the half-court. Being able to say they've got the best shooting percentage in the league will probably not be much consolation when they get knocked out of the playoffs.

It's great when you have something that works most of the time, but you gotta have some plan for when it doesn't work. The Jazz simply do not close out on 3pt shooters. What exactly IS the plan B when they start hitting them? What was plan B last night?

Oh, and for the record, in the timespan I was talking about, the Mavs were 5/7 from beyond the arc, and 0/2 inside it. One of those 2 was a layup.

and yet... we won.

 

[chawx]

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/defense-per-game/sort/threePointFieldGoalPctOpponent

10th in % allowed.

You know when you see a player so wide open at the 3 point line that they have like 3-5 seconds to think about the shot, spin the ball, find the laces, and shoot? That happens about 10 times every single Jazz game. Out of those 10 times, I'd say, in Jazz wins, teams make about 2 or 3 of those...they just have too much time to think that they miss—in losses, teams make about 6 or 7 of those shots.

I think that's what explains our "10th in 3pt% allowed", pure luck of the other team missing shots, because it's never once been our defense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You know when you see a player so wide open at the 3 point line that they have like 3-5 seconds to think about the shot, spin the ball, find the laces, and shoot? That happens about 10 times every single Jazz game. Out of those 10 times, I'd say, in Jazz wins, teams make about 2 or 3 of those...they just have too much time to think that they miss—in losses, teams make about 6 or 7 of those shots.

I think that's what explains our "10th in 3pt% allowed", pure luck of the other team missing shots, because it's never once been our defense.

That may be true for a small sample, but we have a pretty substantial pool of data.

 

[DutchJazzer]

corbin sucks because he made the same mistake twice.
after the atlanta game he admitted it was kinda of a mistake.

Yet he does exactly the same vs mavs

 

[mountain]

Dumb coach. Kind of like Sloan. Just a brute force type of coach. Bad at game time adjustments and player selections.

 

[sgjazzfan]

And again, who the **** doesn't foul when you're up three? That's just infuriating.

Most college and pro basketball coaches. If its within 5 seconds, maybe, but even thats up for debate. If you do it before then, they make their FT's, they foul you, if you miss a FT, they are down only 2 with 2 seconds off the clock.

 

[Archie Moses]

Every coach in the league needs to learn from the Bull's Tom T.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Based off this one observation and equating it to the worst coach, you also must have hated Sloan and considered him a worse coach because (again just of your one example of 3pt defense) his teams defended the paint more and the 3pt line less then Corbin's defense.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Most college and pro basketball coaches. If its within 5 seconds, maybe, but even thats up for debate. If you do it before then, they make their FT's, they foul you, if you miss a FT, they are down only 2 with 2 seconds off the clock.

Also the coach has to way the risk of the player fouling and it being called a shooting foul and if it is behind the 3pt line that is even worse, just saying risk vs reward.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Also the coach has to way the risk of the player fouling and it being called a shooting foul and if it is behind the 3pt line that is even worse, just saying risk vs reward.

Exactly, make them beat you, don't give them free chances to do so with free throws. In college you can foul with less time because they have to bring the ball across half court. In the NBA its a catch and shoot in the last 5 seconds in most cases. Way too much risk for a 3 shot foul then.

 

[underKANTER]

corbin is not more than an average assistant coach... as a head coach, he might get the one or the other chance on the nba's worst teams... that's about it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

corbin is not more than an average assistant coach... as a head coach, he might get the one or the other chance on the nba's worst teams... that's about it.

You do realize judging a 1st year HC this harshly is just like someone saying Kanter is a scrub because he isn't great his rookie year? Give the guy some time to learn and grow. He has done a great job so far. He just beat the defending champs in triple OT for crying out loud. People act like the Jazz should be handling the defending champs with ease in an OT game.

 

[Hartsock]

You do realize judging a 1st year HC this harshly is just like someone saying Kanter is a scrub because he isn't great his rookie year? Give the guy some time to learn and grow. He has done a great job so far. He just beat the defending champs in triple OT for crying out loud. People act like the Jazz should be handling the defending champs with ease in an OT game.

We are starting a D leaguer, a no d big man, a 6'6" power forward, and a white guy. Whenever we don't win by 25 + I will not be satisfied until Tyrone Corbin is beheaded.