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Would Hayward take less than the max?

My whole thing is what can you do with 130 million that you can't do with 110 million?



People understand that not every team is going to have an extra 26 million to spend forever going forward, right?
These numbers are too low.
Bump that 130/110 million number up to around 170/150 million and bump that 26 million up into the 30's.
 
I would bet he takes less than the full max from the Jazz but more than any other teams max offer. Kind of like DeRozan took.
This is the true hope. If he takes more than any other team can offer but less than the full max, I think he does right by Utah, the fans and his teammates. You become a legend in a couple ways -
#1 titles. Will he ever get one here? Odds are no because it's so damn hard.
#2 loyalty - You do this by staying long term and by doing everything you can to help the team contend such as take $27 instead of $29, etc.

If Hayward maxes out and we never even win the West, he won't go down as a legend as much as if he just sacrificed $2 million per year with the hopes that it gives us a better chance to win something. He would be considered unless he went to 3 or more All Star games or something similar.

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I get it. I'm not a very lavish human being. If I had millions I'd buy a nice home and travel a lot, but that's about it. I wouldn't buy a yacht or a jet. I guess I would buy an NBA team if I had the chance though, so I suppose I misspoke.
Hopefully DL can demonstrate to him that in order to win a championship guys are going to have to take discounts, but that money can be more than made up for in endorsements. There are only a handful of players who've ever been willing to go this route, though.
 
I agree with whoever said he will take more than what other team's can offer but maybe not necessarily our max. Something like 5 years/160 or something
 
Dude just had another kid. That makes two. Who knows if he and homegirl are going to have another. With the current inflationary rocket that is school tuition/ fees, guy is going to need every penny. Hell, he might also have to take a job at Walmart as a greeter.
 
No way, Hayward would settle for a discount and he'll definitely get the max. I'm gonna say 140 mil range for 5 years is my guess.
 
[MENTION=4486]Boris[/MENTION]

let's get this thing finalized
 
NO! And he shouldn't. Would you take less money in a company you have no stake in? Why should Hayward?
 
[MENTION=4486]Boris[/MENTION], don't consider me surprised that you don't really believe the stupid **** you post here and are just a troll. I knew you wouldn't put your money where your mouth is.

Hayward will have multiple max offers.
 
[MENTION=4486]Boris[/MENTION], don't consider me surprised that you don't really believe the stupid **** you post here and are just a troll. I knew you wouldn't put your money where your mouth is.

Hayward will have multiple max offers.
[MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION] I said I will make bet. Where do you want to Trust money beforehand?
 
No way, Hayward would settle for a discount and he'll definitely get the max. I'm gonna say 140 mil range for 5 years is my guess.
If he doesn't settle for a discount then he will get way more than 140 million for 5 years.
 
NO! And he shouldn't. Would you take less money in a company you have no stake in? Why should Hayward?
If I was an nba player and winning was one of my top properties then I might.
In fact he might get more $$ by sacrificing and getting a smaller contract.

Let's say he gets every penny he has but because of that the jazz are never contenders and therefore hayward is just always thought of as a good not great player. He gets some minor local endorsements.

Now lets say he takes less money and the jazz are able to sign better players as a result and the jazz become true contenders for a title and Hayward gets tons of hype cause his team is so good and he makes an all nba team. Now he gets all the major endorsements.

Huge hypothetical and risky for Hayward but a possibility none the less
 
NO! And he shouldn't. Would you take less money in a company you have no stake in? Why should Hayward?

I would. It's simple really - although there is not that much inflation over the last few years, he could take a near max contract making more than Kobe ever made in a season. If he takes the absolute most we can offer (which is a few million more per year than any other team), he knows he jeopardizes all that cute stuff he says in his blog about "being happy about the future of the team" and "I want to lead this team". Well, the team won't stay together if he takes the max. If you were to make 25% more than your coworkers and some of your coworkers would lose their jobs, you would probably think twice about taking the absolute most.

So what I'm saying is this - looking at probable salary levels next year, lets say we can offer up to 5 years and $160 (average of $32 per year). If Hayward were to leave us for a max contract elsewhere, it would be less years and money than what we can offer. So leaving to go elsewhere, Hayward could only sign for 4 years and about $115 (less than $29 per year). My suggestion is that Hayward takes $150 over 5 years instead of $160 over 5 years. He does this to send a message that he took a little less than max ($2 million less per year but he's still making $30 per year and more money per year than he could get on the open market). He also does this hoping that the franchise could keep more players on the roster. $2 million isn't a ton, but since he's the leader, if he does that, maybe others do it too. If Favors, Hood, Hayward and Gobert all sacrificed $1-2 million per year, that's $4-8 million for another solid role player or the difference in keeping a guy like Hill around.
 
I would. It's simple really - although there is not that much inflation over the last few years, he could take a near max contract making more than Kobe ever made in a season. If he takes the absolute most we can offer (which is a few million more per year than any other team), he knows he jeopardizes all that cute stuff he says in his blog about "being happy about the future of the team" and "I want to lead this team". Well, the team won't stay together if he takes the max. If you were to make 25% more than your coworkers and some of your coworkers would lose their jobs, you would probably think twice about taking the absolute most.

So what I'm saying is this - looking at probable salary levels next year, lets say we can offer up to 5 years and $160 (average of $32 per year). If Hayward were to leave us for a max contract elsewhere, it would be less years and money than what we can offer. So leaving to go elsewhere, Hayward could only sign for 4 years and about $115 (less than $29 per year). My suggestion is that Hayward takes $150 over 5 years instead of $160 over 5 years. He does this to send a message that he took a little less than max ($2 million less per year but he's still making $30 per year and more money per year than he could get on the open market). He also does this hoping that the franchise could keep more players on the roster. $2 million isn't a ton, but since he's the leader, if he does that, maybe others do it too. If Favors, Hood, Hayward and Gobert all sacrificed $1-2 million per year, that's $4-8 million for another solid role player or the difference in keeping a guy like Hill around.

So your boss comes to you and says this:

I want to pay you 20% less. By doing so, my company will get better, it will be worth more and I'll make more money. But you take less. I know you could go to a better city and make more money, but think of all we will accomplish! We can be the best! I'll be richer and you'll be poorer, but we will be #1!

And, maybe someone else will give you some money to schill their product, but there's no guarantee to that.

How about it?
 
I will never fault a player for taking the money. And Hayward is worth max dollars. We should max him out. He should take the money.

You who is not worth the max right now? Gobert.
 
I'll hold the money. People have both transferred me money and I've transferred them. I talk **** but I'm honest and would never screw anybody over in that way. Pay pal me and I'll just pay the person next July.
 
I'll hold the money. People have both transferred me money and I've transferred them. I talk **** but I'm honest and would never screw anybody over in that way. Pay pal me and I'll just pay the person next July.

Works for me.
 
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