Would trading for Teague be skipping steps?

[NUMBERICA]

My personal preference is for Burke, and a lottery-protected 1st, or Burke and a top-20 protected 1st and a 2nd. I think Burks is a very good player on a good contract and provides a style of play that no one else on the team brings. And if the salary picture gets dicey, you can probably dump him for a 1st anyway (and probably one better than the one the Jazz should send out). It's going to be a few seasons before the Jazz even sniff the LT, and that's if we're lucky.

 

[NUMBERICA]

TLDR version:

I think this is one of the steps.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Too many contingencies to honestly and accurately vote. So, here's what I have to say:

The Jazz started their rebuild by fretting and dragging their feet. Because of this, the age and experience levels of their core are staggered, and because this year has mostly been a bust thus far, the Jazz have put themselves in a position where they would be wisest to EITHER be making win-now moves, or flipping their most valuable/expensive assets (Hayward, Favors) for other valuable but less expensive assets (picks, very promising 1st/2nd year players). Lowe hit the nail on the head.

I'm all about having a good basketball team again. As long as the Jazz aren't over-leveraging their ability to rebuild if it doesn't work out, then go for it. Right now, they have too many young players and picks to effectively develop, so if anything, this is the type of opportunity the Jazz have been waiting for.

I don't think it would take much. NY has nothing to offer, no one knows what Milwaukee is doing (and I'm not aware of them having tons of assets they'd want to part with, anyway), and Boston seem to have already invested a lot in guards and will probably low-ball. I don't think it would take much. Burke and Burks, late 1st, or bunch of 2nds should get it done.

You hit on something here I don't think people have been considering with regard to draft picks. We have young players at every position and have good veterans. We don't have the playing time or roster spots to handle all of these second rounders and maybe even the first rounders. We can get euro prospects to help us have a continued healthy flow of guys coming in but really we are either trying to stack all that **** up to trade for a superstar or use it to upgrade the roster. If Exum is better than Teague next year we have a good problem on our hands.

I'd go Burke and the GSW pick. Hold on to Burks because his value will go up by the summer if he is back and healthy. I think we eventually move burks and I think teams may offer up something good at either the draft or once they've missed out on FA targets.

 

[Willie G.]

You hit on something here I don't think people have been considering with regard to draft picks. We have young players at every position and have good veterans. We don't have the playing time or roster spots to handle all of these second rounders and maybe even the first rounders. We can get euro prospects to help us have a continued healthy flow of guys coming in but really we are either trying to stack all that **** up to trade for a superstar or use it to upgrade the roster. If Exum is better than Teague next year we have a good problem on our hands.

I'd go Burke and the GSW pick. Hold on to Burks because his value will go up by the summer if he is back and healthy. I think we eventually move burks and I think teams may offer up something good at either the draft or once they've missed out on FA targets.

I like your understanding of things, but can you explain to me why Burke + pick(s) makes sense for ATL? Couldn't they just as easily get that or more this off-season? Also, doesn't it make more sense (from our chairs, at least) for ATL to hold it together in case they start clicking again near playoff time? You could argue that last year they simply peaked too early; and that they would have run through the East if their 'peak timing' were better. Maybe their timing is better this year?

The only way Burke + pick(s) makes sense to me, when I look at it from their perspective, is if Teague is becoming a true malcontent. And I don't see that from where I'm sitting. Could be true, though.

 

[Willie G.]

For the record, I'd do Burke + first-round pick in a flash, if I were in the Jazz FO

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I like your understanding of things, but can you explain to me why Burke + pick(s) makes sense for ATL? Couldn't they just as easily get that or more this off-season? Also, doesn't it make more sense (from our chairs, at least) for ATL to hold it together in case they start clicking again near playoff time? You could argue that last year they simply peaked too early; and that they would have run through the East if their 'peak timing' were better. Maybe their timing is better this year?

The only way Burke + pick(s) makes sense to me, when I look at it from their perspective, is if Teague is becoming a true malcontent. And I don't see that from where I'm sitting. Could be true, though.

I don't think they'd get more than that in the offseason. I think it doesn't come down to making Teague a malcontent because I don't see that but I could see it hurting the relationship with Shroeder (pulling him in and out of crunch time) or maybe their chances to get an extension done. I agree though... from their perspective I wouldn't do it.

As an expiring I'd be surprised if they got a first rounder for him.

 

[Willie G.]

I don't think they'd get more than that in the offseason. I think it doesn't come down to making Teague a malcontent because I don't see that but I could see it hurting the relationship with Shroeder (pulling him in and out of crunch time) or maybe their chances to get an extension done. I agree though... from their perspective I wouldn't do it.

As an expiring I'd be surprised if they got a first rounder for him.

thanks for the thoughts.

If it comes down to the relationship with Schroder, and crunch-time minutes, then I think they'll make it work for this year. Our haul isn't good enough when you consider all their other possibilities for this year. Hell, they can probably buy back any value lost on a lesser deal this off-season with the haul of a longer playoff push. And then some.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Burke and Burks if that's what it takes. Seems a tad steep to me, though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Burke and Burks if that's what it takes. Seems a tad steep to me, though.

I'd go Burke and Burks plus maybe a top 10 protected pick swap with their pick and the gsw pick in 2017. I'd make them add value because I think the extra two years on burks deal have a ton of value.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

If they won't take Burke + pick, then I would keep it to Burks only. That's even value, and far more than ATL gets elsewhere.

It also opens up playing time at the two to be filled by Exum as he plays his way back into shape. Burke can be involved in a different deal.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

If they won't take Burke + pick, then I would keep it to Burks only. That's even value, and far more than ATL gets elsewhere.

It also opens up playing time at the two to be filled by Exum as he plays his way back into shape. Burke can be involved in a different deal.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Looking at our current wing depth I think it would be a mistake to flip Burks for a PG, especially when we have a potential starting PG in Exum. Is Burks worth 2 years of Teague? That sounds shaky to me.

If you can make it happen for Burke and picks then go for it. Otherwise, I can see this move compromising our options at the wing.

 

[MDAV28]

Looking at our current wing depth I think it would be a mistake to flip Burks for a PG, especially when we have a potential starting PG in Exum. Is Burks worth 2 years of Teague? That sounds shaky to me.

If you can make it happen for Burke and picks then go for it. Otherwise, I can see this move compromising our options at the wing.

Yeah people forget the Burks + Burke make up roughly 74% of our bench scoring

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

It's not possible to remember what players like Favors, Hayward, and Gobert looked like when they were playing with a real point guard because they've never played with one.

Teague would allow the Jazz to move Hood to the bench with Burke. There would be no loss of talent in a straight Burks-for-Teague swap.

 

[MDAV28]

It's not possible to remember what players like Favors, Hayward, and Gobert looked like when they were playing with a real point guard because they've never played with one.

Teague would allow the Jazz to move Hood to the bench with Burke. There would be no loss of talent in a straight Burks-for-Teague swap.

1. Moving Hood to the bench would be like suggesting moving Hayward to the bench at this point
2. Who's the starting 2 guard then?

 

[BabyPeterzz]

It's not possible to remember what players like Favors, Hayward, and Gobert looked like when they were playing with a real point guard because they've never played with one.

Teague would allow the Jazz to move Hood to the bench with Burke. There would be no loss of talent in a straight Burks-for-Teague swap.

So who starts at SG? Ingles or Johnson. *shudder*

 

[Coach Ellis]

Was thinking the same thing. It's worth making a move to upgrade Trey Burke, but not at the cost of Alec Burks. He was looking solid in his role off the bench before the injury, and Hood's improvement through January makes bench scoring even more valuable in the playoffs.

To me, it's selling low - that's the King's strategy. I want to know what he have in Burks before selling him. If I knew we were getting a long-term starter with star potential. . . sure. . . make the move. Otherwise, put Booker, Burke and picks up on the block and see what shakes loose. If it works out, great. Otherwise, the Jazz are still positioned well to finish this season strong and have assets they can move in the draft or just prior to free agency.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm torn on burks for Teague which must mean it's a somewhat fair trade. If we had Teague, Gordon, and hood on the court at the same time we'd almost always have a mismatch... Minutes could also be staggered that would allow those three to play together but also keep one or two of them on the court all the time to have a creator on the floor all the time.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

1. Moving Hood to the bench would be like suggesting moving Hayward to the bench at this point

Not really. We are on the Popovich coaching tree now, which places high importance on the Ginobli role coming off the bench. He's not the kind of personality that would balk at that. He would destroy opposing second units, and he would still finish games like usual.

2. Who's the starting 2 guard then?

If you trade for Teague he starts in place of Neto and produces in Hood's place from a more advantageous position.

You start Johnson, and because Teague can shoot and pass and is quicker than either Hayward or Hood it opens up the entire floor for everyone.

Teague's foot speed allows him to penetrate and finish or kick out. He is going to find Hayward and our bigs for easy buckets and open shots all the time, and it will make our pace faster. That's the difference between starting a capable PG instead of two ball-handling wings.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Not really. We are on the Popovich coaching tree now, which places high importance on the Ginobli role coming off the bench. He's not the kind of personality that would balk at that. He would destroy opposing second units, and he would still finish games like usual.



If you trade for Teague he starts in place of Neto and produces in Hood's place from a more advantageous position.

You start Johnson, and because Teague can shoot and pass and is quicker than either Hayward or Hood it opens up the entire floor for everyone.

Teague's foot speed allows him to penetrate and finish or kick out. He is going to find Hayward and our bigs for easy buckets and open shots all the time, and it will make our pace faster. That's the difference between starting a capable PG instead of two ball-handling wings.

I get where you're coming from and why, but I hate this whole line of thinking. I'd rather keep Burks and roll with Neto/Burke over that scenario.

I'd like to get Teague, but I think it's critical to keep Alec Burks for now.